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Old 02-01-07, 07:53 PM   #1
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Man faces assault charges in war against bicyclists
BY JASON WOMACK
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A man who police say used wires, broken bottles and nails to wage an ecoterrorism campaign against Lubbock cyclists could spend time in prison.

David G. Knape, 62, of Lubbock, staged at least a year-long campaign against unsuspecting cyclists, according to police reports. He stretched wires between trees at "neck level" and put nails and glass in the pathway of cyclists.

"This could kill someone," Dewayne Wallace, an avid cyclist whose friend was flung from his bicycle and cut across the neck by one of the wires.
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Old 02-01-07, 08:26 PM   #2
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"who now faces two felony charges of attempted aggravated assault with a weapon"


Well at least they charged him with a felony.
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Old 02-01-07, 08:31 PM   #3
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Well at least they charged him with a felony.
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It would have been so much easier for him to just run them off the road with his pickup, that would not have brought any charges, and pickups have been shown to be far more effective at killing cyclists than wire, nails or broken glass. Everybody knows that if you hit a cyclist and just say 'I didn't see him' it is a free pass.
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Sad, they should offer him probation for 2 years and let it go save taxpayers money, he's just misguided. At 62 it'll be cost prohibitive to jail him and close to age immunity anyways.
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and there are people on these forums whohave said "people don't intentionally try to hurt/kill cyclists"
now they can eat it!!
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Old 02-01-07, 08:53 PM   #6
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Sad, they should offer him probation for 2 years and let it go save taxpayers money, he's just misguided. At 62 it'll be cost prohibitive to jail him and close to age immunity anyways.
I would be very suprised if the penalty was even that severe. Most of it will be accessed in fines.
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Old 02-01-07, 08:56 PM   #7
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...he's just misguided.
So was Adolf Hitler
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and there are people on these forums whohave said "people don't intentionally try to hurt/kill cyclists"
now they can eat it!!
Can you cite anyone actually saying that?

There should be a word for reading one thing and coming away with an extreme twisted understanding of what was actually written.

Whatever it's called, it's rampant on this forum.
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There should be a word for reading one thing and coming away with an extreme twisted understanding of what was actually written.

Whatever it's called, it's rampant on this forum.
Misunderstanding?

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Old 02-01-07, 10:09 PM   #10
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Sure
with my magic kung-fu searching skills and about 30 seconds of my time I found this

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You know cyclists who were shot by irate motorists, or intentionally hit by irate motorists?

It's funny how on generic cycling lists you run into folks who claim that in their area, be it DC, Jersey, Chicago, Boston, NYC, or New Zealand, motorists are particularly hostile towards cyclists and intolerant of cyclists riding vehicularly in traffic.

But on vehicular cycling lists, such claims are unheard of. On the contrary, vehicular cyclists find that no matter where they ride, they are tolerated by motorists with no problems.
To me it sounds like the poster was saying that motorists don't try to intentionally hit cyclists.
Can you guess who made this statement?

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Can you cite anyone actually saying that?

There should be a word for reading one thing and coming away with an extreme twisted understanding of what was actually written.

Whatever it's called, it's rampant on this forum.
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Old 02-01-07, 10:23 PM   #11
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with my magic kung-fu searching skills and about 30 seconds of my time I found this


To me it sounds like the poster was saying that motorists don't try to intentionally hit cyclists.
Can you guess who made this statement?
Actually, it's a debate between VC and non-VC, not a claim that cyclists aren't targeted for intentional violence...
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I know what the thread was about
but the post Bike Lanes - good for cycling?
was bringing up a point that people do not intentionally try to hurt cyclists, and he asked me for a "cite" of anyone saying this, so I complied, like the good little bicycle commuter I am
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Old 02-01-07, 10:33 PM   #13
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They ought to sentence the guy to riding all around Texas for a year.
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I know what the thread was about
but the post Bike Lanes - good for cycling?
was bringing up a point that people do not intentionally try to hurt cyclists, and he asked me for a "cite" of anyone saying this, so I complied, like the good little bicycle commuter I am
The quote is out of context, though; it doesn't prove what you're trying to assert...
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The quote is out of context, though; it doesn't prove what you're trying to assert...
What I am trying to assert here is that at least one person (actually I have read it from several posts) on these forums has made a statement that they do not believe that someone would intentionally try to hurt a cyclist.
Then I was challenged by Helmet Head to cite one reference supporting my statement.
I used my nija abilities to find a post by none other than helmet head himself to support it. In a previous thread qmsdc15 can be quoted as saying:
"I'm usually in the middle of the right hand lane, if that is a bike lane, I'm less likely to be shot or intentional run over by an irate motorist. I know people who were shot or hit by hit and run"

At which point Helmet Head replied with this statement:
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You know cyclists who were shot by irate motorists, or intentionally hit by irate motorists?

It's funny how on generic cycling lists you run into folks who claim that in their area, be it DC, Jersey, Chicago, Boston, NYC, or New Zealand, motorists are particularly hostile towards cyclists and intolerant of cyclists riding vehicularly in traffic.

But on vehicular cycling lists, such claims are unheard of. On the contrary, vehicular cyclists find that no matter where they ride, they are tolerated by motorists with no problems.
Now i'll break down his statement and insert my own wit to show you how I am reading it:
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You know cyclists who were shot by irate motorists, or intentionally hit by irate motorists?
Note how he makes sure you notice the word "cyclist", he wants to point out the fact that a "cyclist" is not a gang banger riding a bicycle. Okay, fine. So I am reading this statement as:
"You know someone clad in lycra and spandex that was riding VC who was intentionally harmed by an irate motorist?" Go ahead and say that out loud, and when you do make sure you cock your eyebrow, smirk, and use a sarcastic voice.

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It's funny how on generic cycling lists you run into folks who claim that in their area, be it DC, Jersey, Chicago, Boston, NYC, or New Zealand, motorists are particularly hostile towards cyclists and intolerant of cyclists riding vehicularly in traffic.
"It's funny how on message boards and mailing lists that don't pray to the Effective Cycling handbook that people are mean and smug to real cyclists who make use of the roadway and think that these cyclists are in their way"

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But on vehicular cycling lists, such claims are unheard of. On the contrary, vehicular cyclists find that no matter where they ride, they are tolerated by motorists with no problems.
"But on a real cycling list or message board no one has ever seen or heard of a motorist being mean so long as you take the lane, make odd hand gestures and head nods, and show them that you are going to assert your power over the roadway the same as they do."

The last two quotes he is attempting to show that the only people who claim that a motorist has intentionally tried to hurt them are people that he consideres not real "cyclists" because they do not ride VC, and since they do not ride VC they are not real, and since they are not real then they could not have possibly have been a victim of someone trying to intentionally hurt them because...well... because they are not real.

I'm the king of sarcasm and can pick it up quite easily.
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and there are people on these forums whohave said "people don't intentionally try to hurt/kill cyclists"
now they can eat it!!
As a general rule it's very true. People don't try to hurt cyclists any more than they try to hurt fast-food eaters. But once in a great while there will be a sociopathic, sub-human animal that comes along to shoot up the place.

This piece of trash, David G. Knape, 62, of Lubbock, should be locked up for the rest of his life. He has proven he is of no value to society.
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Wow! Another reason to be proud of my home state.... <------ sarcasm
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This piece of trash, David G. Knape, 62, of Lubbock, should be locked up for the rest of his life. He has proven he is of no value to society.
Personally I like the suggestion of another poster... take away his driver's license and make him bike everywhere. There is something of poetic justice in that.
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http://www.lubbockonline.com/stories...20107377.shtml

Man faces assault charges in war against bicyclists
BY JASON WOMACK
AVALANCHE-JOURNAL

A man who police say used wires, broken bottles and nails to wage an ecoterrorism campaign against Lubbock cyclists could spend time in prison.

David G. Knape, 62, of Lubbock, staged at least a year-long campaign against unsuspecting cyclists, according to police reports. He stretched wires between trees at "neck level" and put nails and glass in the pathway of cyclists.

"This could kill someone," Dewayne Wallace, an avid cyclist whose friend was flung from his bicycle and cut across the neck by one of the wires.

How does this activity qualify as "ecoterrorism" ?
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Maybe b/c he was sabotaging various bike trails, claiming that the MTBers are somehow destroying the environment?
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How does this activity qualify as "ecoterrorism" ?
Well, assuming that cycing is "eco," then terrorism against cyclists is ecoterrorism.
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Knape needs pychological evaluation. He's probably mentally ill. If he doesn't get proper treatment, no fines or jail terms will alter his behavior for long. He might stop for fear of getting caught, but he'll resurface somewhere else.
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and there are people on these forums whohave said "people don't intentionally try to hurt/kill cyclists"
now they can eat it!!

Its funny...when luddite environmentalists from Seattle to NYC use eco-terrorist tactics against cars, hummers, trucks, pharmaceutical companies, meat eaters, fur wearers, starbucks, or fast food joints, they never get anything but the most fawning media coverage.

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http://www.lubbockonline.com/stories...20107377.shtml

Man faces assault charges in war against bicyclists....
.....put nails and glass in the pathway of cyclists.

"This could kill someone......
The Frogs used to to do this in the early days of the Tour de France. Plus ca change!

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But once in a great while there will be a sociopathic, sub-human animal that comes along to shoot up the place.
Right, and it doesn't matter if your cycling, walking, driving, sitting in park, etc.

Here is a very sad case of a pedestrian who killed a cyclist.
http://www.azcentral.com/community/w...aats31Z20.html

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