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    Bike lane or not?

    So let us play a game
    go here and then write your answers down.
    http://members.cox.net/bbahn/images2...20blornot.html
    Keep in mind I am going by what they say it is. Not what it really is.
    Note if you feel confused the driver is going to be also.
    Last edited by wheel; 02-02-07 at 06:32 PM.
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    They pretty much all looked like shoulders, including the single one witha bike lane stencil in it. I didn't see any BL stencils in any of the others. I suppose you'll tell us that really they were all bike lanes, except the stencils for the others were out of the picture?
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    Does it really matter if they are bike lanes or not? I mean, aren't you going to ride to your advantage regardless?

    By the way, some of those places are really pretty.
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    Pictures D, E, and I are not bike lanes. Pic D is a parking lane. Pic E and I are shoulders to judge by the width. Everything else seems okay to ride in, looking at it, as I am, from a distance.
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    I should add that 'L' looks kind of weird with that split road there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBrooking
    They pretty much all looked like shoulders, including the single one witha bike lane stencil in it. I didn't see any BL stencils in any of the others. I suppose you'll tell us that really they were all bike lanes, except the stencils for the others were out of the picture?
    In what way? Can you expand on that thought?
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    they all looked like bike lanes to me except for the one with the "1801" address sign in it and the fifth one down....some better than others. the last one could be a RTOL.
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    B is a bike lane

    The rest I would define as shoulders with "I" in the sub category of shoulder, the dirt shoulder.

    I've observed that people who live in the south call almost any extra section of pavement out of the traffic lane the bike lane, while people in the north call most of them shoulders unless they get labeled (like B). This is likely because shoulders are so much more common in places that get lasting snow. Many northern climate roads are built with paved shoulders so the plow blade is on pavement all the time, but can still completely clear the traffic lane. A side effect up here is even many low-med volm. rural roads where you wouldn't expect much bike traffic have an 18" or 36" shoulder similiar to those in your photos. They don't get thought of as bike lanes, so people call them shoulders.

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    If it doesn't have signage and stenciling to designate it as a bike lane, it's not a bike lane.

    Regardless if bike lane or not, would I ride in the stretch shown, as a courtesy to faster moving vehicles or for my own advantage?
    A. No
    B. Yes
    C. Maybe
    D. No
    E. No
    F. No
    G. Maybe
    H. No
    I. No
    J. No
    K. No
    L. No
    M. Yes
    N. No

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    Those are basically shoulders designed for driver "Error" and nothing more. Only those with the stencil are bike lanes.

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    Anywhere with that few potholes is perfect road cycling terrain to me.

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    Very interesting responses so far. I think this shows we need some better ways to desginate bike lanes.

    The answers may surprise you I will post them on Monday.

    Well a Shoulder allows me to choose. A bike lane by law I have to use.
    Most have no problems I use them to my advantage.
    Last edited by wheel; 02-03-07 at 07:40 AM.
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    Bike lane or not... I'd ride on any of them.

    I agree with Scott Gore , who said: "I've observed that people who live in the south call almost any extra section of pavement out of the traffic lane the bike lane, while people in the north call most of them shoulders"
    Although I would add that bicycling is a year round activity in the South, while many up North put their bikes away for the winter. The fact that plowed snow fills the bike lane has something to do with this, but mainly because it's too cold for most people.

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    We use stencils like these.

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    At the risk of sounding like some VC zealot, I see bike lanes on all of those, because every lane is a bike lane!
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    Quote Originally Posted by chipcom
    At the risk of sounding like some VC zealot, I see bike lanes on all of those, because every lane is a bike lane!
    Hmmmm. You live in Ohio, Daily Commuter is from Ohio. Hmmmmm.


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    Quote Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
    Hmmmm. You live in Ohio, Daily Commuter is from Ohio. Hmmmmm.
    He's from Columbus...we only tolerate them claiming to be from Ohio when the Buckeyes are winning.

    Don't mess with me today ILTB, otherwise somebody might start one of those annoying Happy BDay threads over in Foo!.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chipcom
    He's from Columbus...we only tolerate them claiming to be from Ohio when the Buckeyes are winning.
    Yeah, what have those Buckeyes done lately?

    This year's football record:
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    Quote Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
    Yeah, what have those Buckeyes done lately?

    This year's football record:
    PSU = one Bowl Win, no losses.
    OSU = nuff said!
    Good point, we have no Columbus!
    "Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws" - Edward Abbey

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    Quote Originally Posted by chipcom
    Don't mess with me today ILTB, otherwise somebody might start one of those annoying Happy BDay threads over in Foo!.
    Don't I know it about getting older. I just started taking cholesterol medication for this B-day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
    Don't I know it about getting older. I just started taking cholesterol medication for this B-day.
    Now see, if you were a 'serious' cyclist, you wouldn't need such things...you'd just slather on some butt cream, climb aboard your trusty trainer and work harder to get to 1% body fat, which is the cure for all ills.
    "Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws" - Edward Abbey

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    Quote Originally Posted by chipcom
    Now see, if you were a 'serious' cyclist, you wouldn't need such things...you'd just slather on some butt cream, climb aboard your trusty trainer and work harder to get to 1% body fat, which is the cure for all ills.
    I thought reading the Good Book was the answer. I must have been misinformed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
    I thought reading the Good Book was the answer. I must have been misinformed.
    OMG how could I forget that? FORGIVE ME LORD FORRESTER, I AM A HERETIC!! Now they're gonna sentence me to a twelve step LAB program.
    "Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws" - Edward Abbey

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    I'll byte :

    B has the stencil in it, so that's a given, although it's a little narrow, it's a Yes.
    A looks like a major highway, so I probably wouldn't ride there anyway - no.
    D is a parking lane, although spots are not marked, as they typically would be - no.
    F,H,J,L&M are not marked, but look like they could be used as a bike lane, if needed - maybe.
    C,E,I&K are too narrow and/or too poor a condition to be bike lanes - no.
    N can't be determined from the photo - maybe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbhikes
    Does it really matter if they are bike lanes or not? I mean, aren't you going to ride to your advantage regardless?
    Yes it does matter in most states. Since most states require bike lane use if marked as a bike lane but do not require that cyclist ride on the shoulder.

    If it does not matter to you, why do you push so hard for bike lanes?

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