Editorial in Cali shooting down 3' rule
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Editorial in Cali shooting down 3' rule
Sort of sad. The author misses the point. Especially this:
A cyclists life is disposable so long as there isn't a car to car or car to truck head on collision? Would we run over the cyclist to stay in our lane? Why not slow down and wait until its safe to pass?
Does a cyclist have the right to the lane in California?
I'm hoping something like this will happen here... out of our urban centers VT is a nice place to ride low traffic, friendly folks - but in any of the larger towns folks seem to like to buzz you as close as they can. Having a 3' law, while not perfect, is a good start to reminding drivers we have a right to the road. I'm not sure how enforceable it is... but at least it would be on the books that in theory bikes have rights, and deserve a little room on the road.
Imagine some of our roads — what if it's a two-lane highway with no way to pass a bicyclist unless your vehicle crosses to the opposite side of the road. In fact, unlike current law, the proposed measure allows a car to cross over a double yellow line and enter a center turn lane to pass a bicyclist. Doesn't that increase the risk of a terrible head-on collision?
Does a cyclist have the right to the lane in California?
I'm hoping something like this will happen here... out of our urban centers VT is a nice place to ride low traffic, friendly folks - but in any of the larger towns folks seem to like to buzz you as close as they can. Having a 3' law, while not perfect, is a good start to reminding drivers we have a right to the road. I'm not sure how enforceable it is... but at least it would be on the books that in theory bikes have rights, and deserve a little room on the road.
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Imagine some of our roads — what if it's a two-lane highway with no way to pass a bicyclist unless your vehicle crosses to the opposite side of the road. In fact, unlike current law, the proposed measure allows a car to cross over a double yellow line and enter a center turn lane to pass a bicyclist. Doesn't that increase the risk of a terrible head-on collision?
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Now that I think about it, I don't recall any info in the DMV driving handbook about cyclists at all when I first got my license in Cali. That was about 20 years ago. Does anyone know if there is anything in the new driver's handbooks these days about driving and cyclists? If not, maybe they should pass a law to get it in there.
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What would be hilarious except that teh author is serious is that he argues the 3' rule is subjective, but current law saying passing at a safe distance is OK.
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Originally Posted by Gee3
Now that I think about it, I don't recall any info in the DMV driving handbook about cyclists at all when I first got my license in Cali. That was about 20 years ago. Does anyone know if there is anything in the new driver's handbooks these days?
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I discovered the actual vehicle code on line a few years ago and haven't looked back.
Go to: dmv.ca.gov
Click on Publications.
Scroll down until you find: 2007 California Vehicle Code (HTML); click on it.
That gets you to the index page.
For example, if you click on P, you get to all topics that start with P, like PASSING.
Under PASSING, you can find:
Left side, use of, 21650, 21750
If you click on 21750, you'll find:Overtake and Pass to Left
21750. The driver of a vehicle overtaking another vehicle or a bicycle proceeding in the same direction shall pass to the left at a safe distance without interfering with the safe operation of the overtaken vehicle or bicycle, subject to the limitations and exceptions hereinafter stated.
Replacing 21750 with the 3' law will buy us nothing in practice, and will arguably reduce the legal "safe passing distance" from something more than 3' to only 3' in some instances.
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Originally Posted by CommuterRun
Tells me the author of the article is too dumb to understand to not pass when it's not safe. Also tells me that it's rediculously easy and inexpensive to get a DL in CA, as it is in the rest of the U.S. Absolute minimal training required.
And what ever is learned in that "minimal training" is barely retained, and often supplanted with false hoods and bad habits.
It truly amazes me that so many motorists (including the author) fail to realize that they must give way to those in front of them, or pass with caution, only when it is safe to do so.
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The article is a mix bag. On one hand it has driver centric ideas that they some how HAVE to pass a cyclist. Even with on coming traffic. On the other, he does have a point. The law can't be inforced and there is already a similar law that exists. Seems more like a law that to push some kind of political agenda then to increase the safety of cyclists. Money should be better spent to actually see what the problem is, and the best and meaningful way to remedy it.
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Perhaps the only real positive that might come out of such a law is to give notice to drivers that indeed cyclists do belong on the road.
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Originally Posted by genec
Perhaps the only real positive that might come out of such a law is to give notice to drivers that indeed cyclists do belong on the road.
All this is much ado about almost nothing.
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Originally Posted by Helmet Head
Why would changing the wording of some obscure section of the vehicle code to say "shall pass to the left at least 3 feet" instead of "shall pass to the left at a safe distance without interfering with the safe operation of ..." give noticed to drivers of anything?
All this is much ado about almost nothing.
All this is much ado about almost nothing.
So I guess changing the wording would put the fact they motorists should pass safely fresh in their minds.
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Originally Posted by Helmet Head
Why would changing the wording of some obscure section of the vehicle code to say "shall pass to the left at least 3 feet" instead of "shall pass to the left at a safe distance without interfering with the safe operation of ..." give noticed to drivers of anything?
All this is much ado about almost nothing.
All this is much ado about almost nothing.
The law doesn't even have to take effect.
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Originally Posted by Gee3
Now that I think about it, I don't recall any info in the DMV driving handbook about cyclists at all when I first got my license in Cali. That was about 20 years ago. Does anyone know if there is anything in the new driver's handbooks these days about driving and cyclists? If not, maybe they should pass a law to get it in there.
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https://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/hdbk/pgs55thru57.htm
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The best response so far has been from a D.A.. It would make it easier to say someone wasn't passing at a safe distance. With what I see on the roads and parking lots today, anything but a collision is thought to be safe.
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German traffic law has required motorists to give cyclists 1 meter (~40") of clearance when overtaking since I lived there as a kid (late 60s). I don't recall too many head-on collisions being attributed to this law, although I do recall motorists being very diligent about obeying this law, and waiting behind a cyclist for a safe place to pass if necessary.
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Originally Posted by markf
German traffic law has required motorists to give cyclists 1 meter (~40") of clearance when overtaking since I lived there as a kid (late 60s). I don't recall too many head-on collisions being attributed to this law, although I do recall motorists being very diligent about obeying this law, and waiting behind a cyclist for a safe place to pass if necessary.
In the US they hand out licenses like water, and there are so many unlicensed drivers that the cops can't keep up. 43,000 people every year die on our roads, and it's simply not a problem that seems to concern most people.
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Originally Posted by Dchiefransom
The best response so far has been from a D.A.. It would make it easier to say someone wasn't passing at a safe distance. With what I see on the roads and parking lots today, anything but a collision is thought to be safe.
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Originally Posted by genec
Frankly it is not the change in wording, but the debate that was illustrated in the OP that gives notice. Simple public debate that motorists are going to follow for their own reasons.
The law doesn't even have to take effect.
The law doesn't even have to take effect.
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Instead of/as well as posting here, why don't California posters nail His Numptiness to the wall in letters to the Editor.
Being an obvious numpty, he won't understand your reasoning, but some of his readers must have IQs which reach double figures
Being an obvious numpty, he won't understand your reasoning, but some of his readers must have IQs which reach double figures
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Originally Posted by atbman
Instead of/as well as posting here, why don't California posters nail His Numptiness to the wall in letters to the Editor.
Being an obvious numpty, he won't understand your reasoning, but some of his readers must have IQs which reach double figures
Being an obvious numpty, he won't understand your reasoning, but some of his readers must have IQs which reach double figures
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The 3' law would make it extra illegal to intentionally buzz a cyclist. Sounds like a good law if you ask me.
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Originally Posted by CommuterRun
I agree. It takes away the ambiguity of "at a safe distance" and makes it a defined distance.