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Old 02-11-07, 07:16 PM   #1
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Denver Critical Mass

Has anyone participated in the Denver critical mass ride lately? I was thinking about doing it this month, but I was reading about riders getting tickets and generally harassed by the police. Is this still going on?
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Old 02-11-07, 08:05 PM   #2
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All the more reason to participate.
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No, but I'd like to ride in one. I'd probably even make the ride down there in the Summer.
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I ask again. What is the point of intentionally slowing and blocking traffic and violating the rules of the road in order to gain publicity for cyclists? It just pisses people off and reinforces notions that bikes don't belong on the streets.

Why don't the cyclists just ride in a long group, obeying traffic laws. That way, the cops can't harrass them and drivers will get the idea that cyclists are entitiled to ride on the streets also.
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What is the Critical Mass??
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A group of anarchists who chose the bicycle as a means to displace there anger upon society
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_Mass

I'm with San Rensho on this one...
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I think its a ride they did in Boulder??? Where all the angry bikers got together and rode in an effort to create recognition for roadbiker's rights to the road. But if I remember correctly, it was precieved pretty negatively....bad press....that sort of thing. Kind of a black eye for our sport, again IF I remember correctly.
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Yeah not interested in doing that. The way to make a point and get it across is in a positive manner.

My boyfriends father use to be a State Senator and he said that he received the most death threats when it came to giving cyclists more rights on the roads.

I respect what they are trying to achieve but it can be done in a good way.
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I ask again. What is the point of intentionally slowing and blocking traffic and violating the rules of the road in order to gain publicity for cyclists? It just pisses people off and reinforces notions that bikes don't belong on the streets.

Why don't the cyclists just ride in a long group, obeying traffic laws. That way, the cops can't harrass them and drivers will get the idea that cyclists are entitiled to ride on the streets also.
yep. seems counterproductive to me.
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I think the Denver CM is pretty civil compared to some places. I haven't ridden one, personally, but I'm thinking about it.
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I don't participate, but here's the rationale.

When traffic congestion occurs, it's not because motorists decided to get together at 5:30 p.m. and have a parade. It's because everybody gets out of work at 5 p.m., traffic happens, and the result is congested traffic.

Critical Mass is an illustration of a bicycle version of this. It (supposedly) is not "organized" so it's not a parade -- several cyclists all happen to show up on the same street at about the same time, and the result is congested bicycle traffic.

When motorists do it, nobody cares. When cyclists do it, they get harassed, ticketed, and get their bikes impounded.

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The one critical mass I witnessed (here in Denver), the folks riding didn't just ride through an intersection causing congestion. They circled and circled in the intersection, bringing traffic to a stand still. Completely counter-productive to the cause. Like most well-intended grass-roots movements, it looses its original desire well along the way....
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The Boulder Thursday Ride is not a Critical Mass. Participants are strongly encouraged to obey traffic rules and ride courteously.

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Thats nuts!
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I don't participate, but here's the rationale.

When traffic congestion occurs, it's not because motorists decided to get together at 5:30 p.m. and have a parade. It's because everybody gets out of work at 5 p.m., traffic happens, and the result is congested traffic.

Critical Mass is an illustration of a bicycle version of this. It (supposedly) is not "organized" so it's not a parade -- several cyclists all happen to show up on the same street at about the same time, and the result is congested bicycle traffic.

When motorists do it, nobody cares. When cyclists do it, they get harassed, ticketed, and get their bikes impounded.

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the fact that you had to explain it to me and others means the "message" isn't being that effectively communicated... I guess.
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the fact that you had to explain it to me and others means the "message" isn't being that effectively communicated.
Well... yeah. I get it, but it had to be explained to me also.

I suspect most participants don't really get it either. They're just anarchists having fun.

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No, that's the typical (american) "Ohmygawd, something slower than I am, GET OUT OF MY WAY. You should be on the sidewalk!" Attitude.
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I'd rather ride in traffic then ride a CM.
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Wow, Critical Masses are a lot different here.

It's usually about 12 people riding choppers or other bikes just cruising around.
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I ask again. What is the point of intentionally slowing and blocking traffic and violating the rules of the road in order to gain publicity for cyclists? It just pisses people off and reinforces notions that bikes don't belong on the streets.

Why don't the cyclists just ride in a long group, obeying traffic laws. That way, the cops can't harrass them and drivers will get the idea that cyclists are entitiled to ride on the streets also.
+1

And then they complain that they're being "harassed" when they get ticketed for violating the law.
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And then they complain that they're being "harassed" when they get ticketed for violating the law.
No, they complain that they're being harassed when they get struck with and knocked down by motorized police vehicles, and then arrested, when they're NOT violating the law.
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No, they complain that they're being harassed when they get struck with and knocked down by motorized police vehicles, and then arrested, when they're NOT violating the law.
If that were true, there are remedies. Have they exercised their remedies?
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If that were true, there are remedies. Have they exercised their remedies?
Yep, they keep on winning in court...
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Yep, they keep on winning in court...
Winning what? Because if they exercised their remedies, they wouldn't have to keep going to court...
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