Advertise on Bikeforums.net



User Tag List

View Poll Results: can a vehicular bicyclist ride in a striped road lane?

Voters
33. You may not vote on this poll
  • Yes, a vehicular cyclist can use a striped lane on a road.

    17 51.52%
  • No, a vehicular cyclist cannot use striped lanes on a road.

    3 9.09%
  • I have problems riding in traffic, lanes or not.

    2 6.06%
  • I want chocolate before i cast a vote.

    16 48.48%
Multiple Choice Poll.
Page 1 of 4 123 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 25 of 83
  1. #1
    Banned. Bekologist's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    A land that time forgot
    My Bikes
    the ever shifting stable loaded with comfortable road bikes and city and winter bikes
    Posts
    18,012
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    agree or disagree: part 3 of 2

    do you agree or disagree with the following statement:

    a bicyclist can ride vehicularily in a lane on a road.

    please consider your anwser, and vote accordingly.
    Attached Images Attached Images
    Last edited by Bekologist; 02-14-07 at 11:12 PM.

  2. #2
    Senior Member rando's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Tempe, AZ
    Posts
    2,967
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I say yes. unless saying yes can be used against me later. where's my chocolate?
    "Think of bicycles as rideable art that can just about save the world". ~Grant Petersen

    Cyclists fare best when they recognize that there are times when acting vehicularly is not the best practice, and are flexible enough to do what is necessary as the situation warrants.--Me

  3. #3
    Senior Member Wogster's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    Toronto (again) Ontario, Canada
    My Bikes
    Norco Bushpilot, Raleigh Delta (Project Bike)
    Posts
    6,759
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Bekologist
    do you agree or disagree with the following statement:

    a bicyclist can ride vehicularily in a lane on a road.

    please consider your anwser, and vote accordingly.
    Personally I think a Vehicular Cyclist can use ANY lane on a road, and that includes a BL and/or MUP when available.

  4. #4
    your nightmare gal chipcom's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    The Cracker Factory
    Posts
    24,354
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I trusted you and voted for yes, but also that I want chocolate first. Cough up the chocolate, pal.
    "Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws" - Edward Abbey

  5. #5
    Dominatrikes sbhikes's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    Still in Santa Barbara
    My Bikes
    Catrike Pocket, Lightning Thunderbold recumbent, Trek 3000 MTB.
    Posts
    4,920
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Bek, I accuse you of having an ulterior motive with this poll. It's so obvious there's only one right answer.
    ~Diane
    Recumbents: Lightning Thunderbolt, '06 Catrike Pocket. Upright: Trek Mountain Bike.
    8.5 mile commute. I like bike lanes.

  6. #6
    Banned. Bekologist's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    A land that time forgot
    My Bikes
    the ever shifting stable loaded with comfortable road bikes and city and winter bikes
    Posts
    18,012
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I'm clarifying all the confusing vehicular cycling nonsense that gets posted in this forum.

    the chocolate will be handed out later.

  7. #7
    Dog is my co-pilot 2manybikes's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    My Bikes
    2 many
    Posts
    13,544
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Peppermint has stripes too. I want peppermint.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

  8. #8
    your nightmare gal chipcom's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    The Cracker Factory
    Posts
    24,354
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Bekologist

    the chocolate will be handed out later.
    Yeah, like I'm gonna trust a used bike salesman!
    "Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws" - Edward Abbey

  9. #9
    Banned. Bekologist's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    A land that time forgot
    My Bikes
    the ever shifting stable loaded with comfortable road bikes and city and winter bikes
    Posts
    18,012
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    all these roads have been only lightly used; the bikes are new old stock once owned by a little old lady in Pasadena.

    The question stands; Can a cyclist ride vehicularily in a lane in a road?

  10. #10
    Yabba-Dabba-Doo! AlmostTrick's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Bedrock, IL
    My Bikes
    1969 Schwinn Orange Krate, 5 speed stick shift
    Posts
    3,050
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Bekologist
    do you agree or disagree with the following statement:

    a bicyclist can ride vehicularily in a lane on a road.
    I voted yes, even though we don't have any bike lanes around here. It doesn't seem like I would have much difficulty using (or avoiding) them as necessary. Then again I don't care much for chocolate so what do I know?
    Have Bike, Will Travel

  11. #11
    Banned. Helmet Head's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    San Diego
    Posts
    13,075
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I have no idea who answered "no" to this pointless poll, or what he or she was thinking, but, FWIW, it wasn't me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bekologist
    I'm clarifying all the confusing vehicular cycling nonsense that gets posted in this forum.
    Yeah, right. That's like "clarifying" all the "confusing" wheel count nonsense over at Bicycle Mechanics by having a poll on whether bicycles have one, two or three wheels.

    If the concept of whether a vehicular cyclist can use a striped lane is confusing to you or requires clarification, you must have fallen down on your head at least one too many times.
    Last edited by Helmet Head; 02-15-07 at 10:25 AM.

  12. #12
    Sumanitu taka owaci LittleBigMan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2001
    Posts
    8,945
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Bekologist
    do you agree or disagree with the following statement:

    a bicyclist can ride vehicularily in a lane on a road.

    please consider your anwser, and vote accordingly.
    I was going to say something, but then I saw "chocolate," and I was gone.
    No worries

  13. #13
    Sumanitu taka owaci LittleBigMan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2001
    Posts
    8,945
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Helmet Head
    ...you must have fallen down on your head at least one too many times.
    Watch it, I resemble that remark!
    No worries

  14. #14
    Banned.
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Location
    I've had enough.
    Posts
    898
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Well, I want chocolate before I vote, so I am waiting before I chose that option because, as of yet, I have recieved no chocolate.
    But my opinion is, that barring the "vehicular cyclists" stupid principles, asuming he is one of those stupid VCists who refuses to ride on a road just because there is paint on it, any cyclist can ride on any rode he wishes. I would love it if there were lanes like that around here!

  15. #15
    Senior Member Paul L.'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2002
    Location
    Arizona, USA
    My Bikes
    Mercier Corvus (commuter), Fila Taos (MTB), Trek 660(Got frame for free and put my LeMans Centurian components on it)
    Posts
    2,601
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Helmet Head
    I have no idea who answered "no" to this pointless poll, or what he or she was thinking, but, FWIW, it wasn't me.


    Yeah, right. That's like "clarifying" all the "confusing" wheel count nonsense over at Bicycle Mechanics by having a poll on whether bicycles have one, two or three wheels.

    If the concept of whether a vehicular cyclist can use a striped lane is confusing to you or requires clarification, you must have fallen down on your head at least one too many times.

    I think it does indeed need clarifying. It would seem that a certain feeling is promulgated that states that if a certain person abides by Vehicular Cycling principles that he eschews bike lanes or special use lanes as dangerous and therefore should not ride within them. I think Bek is trying to find out how many people believe in this idea and how many hold a more moderate position on what VC is. I voted Yes by the way but that should be obvious though I may have fallen on my head a few times in my youth suffering through several minor concussions. (by the way, what is it with all these inferences to low intelligence? Can't we just disagree without being stupid too?)
    Sunrise saturday,
    I was biking the backroads,
    lost in the moment.

  16. #16
    Rider in the Storm
    Join Date
    Mar 2003
    Location
    Portland, Oregon
    My Bikes
    LeMond Zurich, KHS Fiero (Fixed), Centurion Ironman Expert
    Posts
    736
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    This is ridiculous! Everyone knows that NO vehicles of any type/sort belong on ANY road! So let's be done with ALL nonsense! Well, unless it involves that chocolate or peppermint that was mentioned...but that's not nonsense - this is serious! Oh, wait, I guess that a serious chocolate would align us with the criteria required for that-which-shall-not-be-named style of that-which-shall-not-be-named.

  17. #17
    Banned. Helmet Head's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    San Diego
    Posts
    13,075
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul L.
    I think it does indeed need clarifying. It would seem that a certain feeling is promulgated that states that if a certain person abides by Vehicular Cycling principles that he eschews bike lanes or special use lanes as dangerous and therefore should not ride within them.
    Can you truly not comprehend and appreciate the distinction between being opposed to a particular type of demarcation of roadway space from opposition to using it just because it happens to be so demarcated?

    Can you truly not comprehend and appreciate the distinction between being opposed to a particular type of demarcation of roadway space because of a belief that such demarcation promotes careless and dangerous behavior by those who do not appreciate the potential of it to do so, from eschewing the appropriate use of such space by those who do understand and appreciate the potential of it to do so?

    If not (for either question), the evidence keeps rolling in...

    Folks, this isn't rocket science. How often does this need to be clarified? I would think that after all this time, even Bek should be able to grasp this, much less you Paul.
    Last edited by Helmet Head; 02-15-07 at 01:16 PM.

  18. #18
    Senior Member Paul L.'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2002
    Location
    Arizona, USA
    My Bikes
    Mercier Corvus (commuter), Fila Taos (MTB), Trek 660(Got frame for free and put my LeMans Centurian components on it)
    Posts
    2,601
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Helmet Head
    Can you truly not comprehend and appreciate the distinction between being opposed to a particular type of demarcation of roadway space from opposition to using it just because it happens to be so demarcated?
    The diffference between being against a bike lane and against it just because it happens to be called a bike lane?
    Wouldn't a rose by any other name smell as sweet?

    Or perhaps you meant the difference between being against a bike lane and not using it only because you are against it and it is so set aside? Well, anything else would be a little hypocritical wouldn't it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helmet Head
    Can you truly not comprehend and appreciate the distinction between being opposed to a particular type of demarcation of roadway space because of a belief that such demarcation promotes careless and dangerous behavior by those who do not appreciate the potential of it to do so, from eschewing the appropriate use of such space by those who do understand and appreciate the potential of it to do so?
    The distinction between opposition to a bike lane because you believe it promotes careless and dangerous behavior by those not in the know and those who hate it because they fully well know?
    Seems to me we are talking about the difference between a person who thinks bike lanes are bad because he believes most people are not smart enough to know better or how to use them wisely, and a person who hates them just for his percieved danger of them. I guess there is a bit of difference there. Both folks sound llike they are deciding what is best for the people without their input though.

    If not (for either question), the evidence keeps rolling in...

    Folks, this isn't rocket science. How often does this need to be clarified? I would think that after all this time, even Bek should be able to grasp this.
    The evidence does keep rolling in doesn't it. How clever of you to notice.

    I am afraid I still agree with Bek.
    Last edited by Paul L.; 02-15-07 at 01:20 PM.
    Sunrise saturday,
    I was biking the backroads,
    lost in the moment.

  19. #19
    Been Around Awhile I-Like-To-Bike's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    Burlington Iowa
    My Bikes
    Vaterland and Ragazzi
    Posts
    18,947
    Mentioned
    5 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Helmet Head
    Folks, this isn't rocket science. How often does this need to be clarified? I would think that after all this time...
    We low IQ folks just can't understand High IQ derived clarifications. Understand?

  20. #20
    no more nellie
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Posts
    17,369
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Okay, this is the last time I'm venturing over, because for all of the discussion, I cannot for the life of me figure out what this argument is all about! Perhaps it's my dismally low IQ, but who is arguing for what???! Helmet Head? Are you for or against bike lanes - cause honestly, from your numerous posts, I can't tell anymore. *sigh*

    Why don't you guys argue about the golf cart crossings? Do the guys in golf carts have the right to cross in marked crosswalks or should they be required to stop, get out of their carts and push them across (like we are required by law to do if we enter a crosswalk on a bike)? I think we should make the bastards push the carts across or else we shouldn't have to stop to let them cross!

  21. #21
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Posts
    7,283
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by merider1
    Okay, this is the last time I'm venturing over, because for all of the discussion, I cannot for the life of me figure out what this argument is all about! Perhaps it's my dismally low IQ, but who is arguing for what???! Helmet Head? Are you for or against bike lanes - cause honestly, from your numerous posts, I can't tell anymore. *sigh*
    There are a few low-I.Q. types here who believe that bicycle lanes are a good thing. Everybody else-- i.e., Helmet Head-- has a high I.Q., and therefore realizes that bike lanes are a bad thing, because all car/bike accidents can be attributed to bike lanes.

  22. #22
    Senior Member Paul L.'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2002
    Location
    Arizona, USA
    My Bikes
    Mercier Corvus (commuter), Fila Taos (MTB), Trek 660(Got frame for free and put my LeMans Centurian components on it)
    Posts
    2,601
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by merider1
    Okay, this is the last time I'm venturing over, because for all of the discussion, I cannot for the life of me figure out what this argument is all about! Perhaps it's my dismally low IQ, but who is arguing for what???! Helmet Head? Are you for or against bike lanes - cause honestly, from your numerous posts, I can't tell anymore. *sigh*
    I am arguing for bike lanes, when they make sense, and no bike lanes where they do not. I think both philosophies have their place. I percieve that Helmet Head argues that Bike Lanes are dangerous more often than not and should not be used. So that is what I am arguing against.
    Why? I can't say, I have sat out of this for probably a year or more and find it highly entertaining to come back and find I haven't missed a thing. Perhaps I will take another hiatus and come back when things change, but sometimes it is fun to just come in here and be called a neandrathal sometimes by those in the know.

    Oops, not everything is the same, last time I discussed things with Helmet Head he actually discussed things with me such as lane filtering being facilitated by bike lanes in states where lane filtering was illegal.
    Sunrise saturday,
    I was biking the backroads,
    lost in the moment.

  23. #23
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Posts
    7,283
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul L.
    Helmet Head argues that Bike Lanes are dangerous more often than not
    Actually, Helmet Head argues that bike lanes cause accidents, period. For Helmet Head, there is no such thing as a safe bike lane.

    EDIT: In fact, even where bike lanes DO NOT exist, HH will argue, they lead to harassment of cyclists, because cyclists "belong" in bike lanes.

  24. #24
    Banned. Helmet Head's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    San Diego
    Posts
    13,075
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul L.
    The diffference between being against a bike lane and against it just because it happens to be called a bike lane?
    Wouldn't a rose by any other name smell as sweet?

    Or perhaps you meant the difference between being against a bike lane and not using it only because you are against it and it is so set aside? Well, anything else would be a little hypocritical wouldn't it?
    Holy cow, you really don't get it.


    The distinction between opposition to a bike lane because you believe it promotes careless and dangerous behavior by those not in the know and those who hate it because they fully well know?
    Seems to me we are talking about the difference between a person who thinks bike lanes are bad because he believes most people are not smart enough to know better or how to use them wisely, and a person who hates them just for his percieved danger of them. I guess there is a bit of difference there. Both folks sound llike they are deciding what is best for the people without their input though.

    The evidence does keep rolling in doesn't it. How clever of you to notice.

    I am afraid I still agree with Bek.
    I never said anything about hating bike lanes. I'm opposed to them because think they cause more harm than good for cyclists.

    I'm opposed to polluted air. Am I a hypocrite if I breath it anyway?

    You don't need to agree with these. But can you accept that I believe the following to be true?
    1. Bike lanes promote inappropriately carefree/careless cycling by those cyclists who are unaware of the much higher risk they are exposed to by traffic crossing movements than from same-direction traffic movements.
    2. Bike lanes encourage inappropriate behavior by motorists at intersections, particularly at right turns where the rightmost lane is straight-or-right by encouraging them to turn right from a too-far-left position.
    3. Bike lanes cause the accumulation of rubble and debris at road edges.
    4. The existence of bike lanes on the roadway reinforces the notion that cyclists should be "out of the way" of people driving cars.
    5. Bike lanes reduce the amount of space cyclists have a legally-protected right to use by making off-limits the foot on either side of the BL stripe (when riding with tires within a foot of the stripe, the 2' wide cyclist is technically encroaching on the adjacent lane, and technically making an illegal lane change, making him legally liable if sideswiped by a passing motorist; with the stripe absent, the legal onus is on the passing motorist to pass with a safe distance, even if the cyclist is riding in the space where the stripe would be if it was there).
    Again, you don't need to agree or debate with any of these points, but can you see there is no contradiction in being opposed to bike lanes for the above reasons while at the same time never-the-less not necessarily being opposed to using roadway space that happens to be demarcated by a bike lane stripe, particularly between intersections?

  25. #25
    Banned. Helmet Head's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    San Diego
    Posts
    13,075
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Order
    There are a few low-I.Q. types here who believe that bicycle lanes are a good thing. Everybody else-- i.e., Helmet Head-- has a high I.Q., and therefore realizes that bike lanes are a bad thing, because all car/bike accidents can be attributed to bike lanes.
    This is not an accurate or fair characterization of my position (a point of frustration for me is that those who supposedly disagree with me can't even explain my position/argument without exaggerating and mischaracterizing it, which indicates they don't even understand what they're disagreeing with).

    I do oppose bike lanes (except in certain exceptional situations with long intersectionless stretches of roadway and very high speed motor traffic, particularly where slow moving vehicles are prohibited - like on freeways, and on certain bridges and tunnels) because I believe they cause more harm than good for cyclists for reasons outlined (but not discussed in detail) above.

Page 1 of 4 123 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •