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Old 02-18-07, 11:01 AM   #1
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How are the roads in your area?



http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/m...8potholes.html

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SAN DIEGO San Diegans know all too well that their city has hit a rough patch in the road.

The truth is, roads from Oceanside to Chula Vista could use a fresh coat of asphalt. Every year, local governments resurface streets and fill potholes as best they can, knowing there is never enough money to fix everything.

But as San Diego struggles with a $1 billion pension deficit, residents are driving down some particularly bumpy roads.
Obviously road conditions effect more than motorists. Cyclists especially are effected by poor streets... Pot holes dent rims, parallel cracks can send cyclists flying off their bikes as wheels are grabbed. Poor roads probably effect cyclists more than motorists, actually.

What are the roads like in your area?
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Old 02-18-07, 11:40 AM   #2
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That picture would be a good road in MI. I would say we have the worst roads in the nation.
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As a rule, the roads here are in good shape. The region does a pretty good job with a limited budget keeping roads in reasonable repair. Some roads (rural, with a LOT of buggy traffic) are in horrendous condition with long parallel to the road edge cracks about 5 to 10 cm deep and up to 10 cm wide (not an exaggeration) that are rougher than almost any off road bits I have ridden, but most of the roads are not too bad.
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That picture would be a good road in MI. I would say we have the worst roads in the nation.
Well, at least it would make sense with the weather you get. Ours suck because the Unions/City officials have managed to trick 9000 employees into a wierd pension deal while underfunding the pension itself. So in all essance 9000 employees are holding the entire City hostage. No money, no paving.

Sucks to be us.
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That looks like what I commute on every day. Old road, needs the road-bed rebuilt.
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Old 02-18-07, 12:31 PM   #6
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Santa Barbara county has the worst roads in the whole state. I can't say that the roads I ride on daily look like the picture in that article though. Overall they're in good shape. One of them comes close, but it's worse in the main traffic lane than the bike lane and poses a difficult challenge for me on my Vespa.
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Potholes repaired in a month? And that's slow? I'd be happy with a year. But potholes and road conditions are not a priority for the city or the local bike advocacy group.
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Most roads in my area are good. Nassau County (NY) has repaved many roads. The troubling thing is that the water or gas company digs them up again before the paint is dry (literally, I've seen them jackhammer the asphalt before the new lines were painted.)

Some repaved roads:
Duck Pond Road (Matinecock)
Frost Mill Road (Mill Neck)
part of Oyster Bay/Glen Cove Road (Mill Neck)
Factory Pond Road (Mill Neck)
Feeks Lane, including causeway (Mill Neck)
Mill Hill Road , highest elevation of any paved road on Long Island (Oyster Bay, Mill Neck)
West Shore Road (Oyster Bay)
Town Cocks Lane (Locust Valley)
Bayville Avenue , where they raised the road three feet for flood protection (Bayville)
Cleft Road (Mill Neck)

The North Shore of Long Island a "rich neighborhood", and the citizens pay $$$ in property taxes.
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I live in San Diego and our roads are not perfect, of course, but they're pretty good. Once in a while there is a pot hole. I have the pot hole hotline on my cell phone - they usually respond within a couple of days. Often they call back and ask if I'm satisfied with the work.
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I live in San Diego and our roads are not perfect, of course, but they're pretty good. Once in a while there is a pot hole. I have the pot hole hotline on my cell phone - they usually respond within a couple of days. Often they call back and ask if I'm satisfied with the work.
You have a "unique" way of looking at things... certainly the reporter of the article I posted does not agree with you.

It is not as if I made up this article myself... I simply posted what others consider a problem in the area.

Just for grins (and a look at the contrasts in the area) if you take the paper, look at the "Regional" section page 7 and take note of the roads cited for major repair, and tell me how many are in the La Jolla area. Bear in mind that the roads listed on page 7 are the worst of those needing repairs in the area... and have been cited by residents as needing repair for some time.

Limerick, the road in the picture, is right down Clairmont Mesa Blvd from me. When was the last time you rode Kearny Villa road (the 65MPH road)? That road is in terrible shape. Sorrento Valley Road is in terrible shape. La Jolla Village Drive, the road you often commute on, has just been resurfaced. Might that form the basis of some of your opinion?
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We've got bigger fish to fry than road potholes in this state. Our bridges are falling apart, and there's no money from the feds or enough state revenue to fix them. One big earthquake and we're in deep sheep.
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We've got bigger fish to fry than road potholes in this state. Our bridges are falling apart, and there's no money from the feds or enough state revenue to fix them. One big earthquake and we're in deep sheep.
You think your bridges ar fallling appart? Been to Montreal lately?
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I live in the desert enuff said.
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Obviously road conditions effect more than motorists. Cyclists especially are effected by poor streets... Pot holes dent rims, parallel cracks can send cyclists flying off their bikes as wheels are grabbed. Poor roads probably effect cyclists more than motorists, actually.

What are the roads like in your area?
That road looks pretty good to me, for late winter/early spring conditions, however for southern California, which doesn't suffer from annual frost heaving, it's probably pretty bad.

The real key, is to not let them get bad in the first place. A little tar filling of cracks, every year, and some patching of bad spots, and you can get a road to last a fairly long time. Of course after 10 years or so, you really need to resurface, this is to give it a new clean surface, and to protect the subsurface part of the road. If you let it go, then you get to a point where the road bed, or base starts to deteriorate, then fixing it is going to cost considerably more.
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That picture would be a good road in MI. I would say we have the worst roads in the nation.
I concur!
The roads I take would eat a skinny tired road bike for breakfast and **** out a unicycle.
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You have a "unique" way of looking at things... certainly the reporter of the article I posted does not agree with you.

It is not as if I made up this article myself... I simply posted what others consider a problem in the area.

Just for grins (and a look at the contrasts in the area) if you take the paper, look at the "Regional" section page 7 and take note of the roads cited for major repair, and tell me how many are in the La Jolla area. Bear in mind that the roads listed on page 7 are the worst of those needing repairs in the area... and have been cited by residents as needing repair for some time.

Limerick, the road in the picture, is right down Clairmont Mesa Blvd from me. When was the last time you rode Kearny Villa road (the 65MPH road)? That road is in terrible shape. Sorrento Valley Road is in terrible shape. La Jolla Village Drive, the road you often commute on, has just been resurfaced. Might that form the basis of some of your opinion?
No. Many streets in La Jolla are in bad shape, but no better or worse than the rest of the city. LJVD is a prime arterial which was widened revently - hence the resurfacing. Torrey Pines winding down the hill into La Jolla is much worse, especially the bike lane demarcated margin, which I of course avoid.

I'm not saying they can't be improved - I know someone who crashed on a descent in La Jolla about a year ago due to a road problem - but overall it's pretty good.
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HORRIBLE. road maintenance and resurfacing is pretty much at the bottom of our local government's priority list. I'm pretty sure we have a public works department, but I can't in a million years tell you what it is exactly that they DO. someone on here once said our roads make off-roading seem smooth and I'm inclined to agree in many cases.

it's even worse in bike facilities but the regular roads are not much better.
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so, with poor road surfaces, does anyone modify what bike or tire they are running? A stouter bike more suitable for commuting?

i find with my steed i can hit potholes and rugosities doing 30 mph no handed. in the dark. i have confidence I'm NOT going to crack rims or etc. because i run a heavier than traditional roadie 700c rims and tires.

and its what I'd recommend to all riding rough roads regularily.

you think rough roads don't treat 23C and raceweight rims well? that assessment is spot on the money.
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so, with poor road surfaces, does anyone modify what bike or tire they are running? A stouter bike more suitable for commuting?

i find with my steed i can hit potholes and rugosities doing 30 mph no handed. in the dark. i have confidence I'm NOT going to crack rims or etc. because i run a heavier than traditional roadie 700c rims and tires.

and its what I'd recommend to all riding rough roads regularily.

you think rough roads don't treat 23C and raceweight rims well? that assessment is spot on the money.
I refuse to commute on my 700 size bike period and will only ride one of my ATB framed bikes with 26" wheels. Alot of this has to do with my weight and riding style while commuting, but the roads here, in the part that I live, do not treat ANYTHING with respect.
I don't care how well built a wheel is, but if it's anything less sturdy than a 32 spoke 26" wheel I WILL destroy it within a few weeks on my commute.
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so, with poor road surfaces, does anyone modify what bike or tire they are running? A stouter bike more suitable for commuting?

i find with my steed i can hit potholes and rugosities doing 30 mph no handed. in the dark. i have confidence I'm NOT going to crack rims or etc. because i run a heavier than traditional roadie 700c rims and tires.

and its what I'd recommend to all riding rough roads regularily.

you think rough roads don't treat 23C and raceweight rims well? that assessment is spot on the money.
Funny you should ask. Back in the early 80's I had an opportunity and the money to custom build a bike. I didn't own a car then, so I was really focused on exactly what I wanted as a hauler/commuter bike. I was riding a Trek at the time... 27 inch x 23c and I had to watch every darn crack in the road with that bike.

I chose an upright position... and fat tires. I can mount anything from 1.2 to 2 inches wide on my Mavics (I currently run 26 x 1.5). I also went all Phil Wood for BB and hubs. I had a mount put on for a Sanyo generator that hits the top of the rear tire (not the sidewall). I had every brazon put on that I could think of... 4 waterbottles, front and rear Blackburn racks, fenders and Zephal pump. The brake levers are Tommaselli Racers (ever heard of those Bek?) The brakes are a strange Shimano offset sidepull with the biggest Kool Stop pads made. The shifters are Suntour friction thumb shifters that I really love. (no plastic or rubber... just pure fast shift on the top of the bars. )

Been riding that bike hard since then, and totally missed all the new changes in bike technology... Thru the mid 80s on through the 90's... index shifting to name a huge one. I hear they make bikes out of something else besides steel these days.

The bike is a tank, but it has withstood the rigors of day to day commuting since then... Some 20 years... and it looks it. (Thing is held together with rust and what is left of the original paint) Although frankly I did stop daily commuting in 2003... I still commute once in a while, but more often I do noon rides from the office, but on a skinny tire old Italian bike, and I stick to this awesome local very wide (fast) path.
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impeccable.

explosive population growth = all new roads.
no rain here either.
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What are the roads like in your area?[/QUOTE]

Watch the Amgen Tour of California tomorrow to see the roads I ride on every day. I'll be near the corner at Fourth and B street. Watch for the giant white marble hand.
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You think your bridges ar fallling appart? Been to Montreal lately?
No, but it's a problem through all of North America, Pat. We built a whole lot of bridges from the New Deal era through the '70s, at times when raw materials for new construction and maintenance/repair were relatively cheap. That's no longer the case. It's possible that we now have more than we can collectively afford to maintain. I cannot speak for Canada, but we in the US have chosen to elect people who would rather see the lion's share of revenue go to concerns outside of the domestic realm. I don't wish to drag up a bunch of political stuff, but if that is what we choose to do, then I don't believe we have the money to maintain all of the bridges and roads we have built in this country. Certainly, there is no easy answer.
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No, but it's a problem through all of North America, Pat. We built a whole lot of bridges from the New Deal era through the '70s, at times when raw materials for new construction and maintenance/repair were relatively cheap. That's no longer the case. It's possible that we now have more than we can collectively afford to maintain.
I mentioned Montreal specifically because they recently had a bridge (overpass) collapse, and both Quebec and Ontario have recently seen crumbling concrete falling from bridges.

Everywhere I look, both municipally and provincially, I see two thing. First, serious under-funding of social services, including health and education. Secondly, the biggest budget items are all related to road construction or maintenance. And yet everyone thinks I'm nuts to think this car use is not sustainable rolleyes: .
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I would say that the average road is in good shape; although there is a lot of variance.

I compensate with 36 spoke wheels and 32mm wide tires. I run the front/rear at 70/80 psi when the max is 95.
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