Mandatory licensing to ride a bike legally?
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Mandatory licensing to ride a bike legally?
Even though I've been riding for over 30 years, I feel that anyone who uses public streets should be licensed for all the basic reasons and tested for the following basic riding skills like how to:
- actually ride a bike without falling.
- ride with one hand.
- ride with no hands.
- ability to look 180 degrees behind you in both directions.
- how to swerve
- how to bunny hop over obsticles
- how to use the brakes properly and efficiently
- how to take a corner effeciently without sliding out into the lane
- ability to perform a panic stop without falling
- ability to perform a evasive sprint... don't laugh
- getting in and out of clipless pedals properly without lurching into traffic
- how to fall properly.... because you're going to anyway.
- how to get out of a mess (riding in gravel and sand, recovering from catching a small ridge.
Hint: I just got a motorcycle, and I need to get training in order to get the license to ride it. I would do it even if it wasn't mandatory. It's made me keenly aware of the true risk of cycling, by comparison, to the motorcycle. and it's freakin' spooky.
Bicycles aren't that much different except for the motor.... and the speed, which is relative to how careless and stupid you want to be.....
Actually, motorcycles have two advantages over a bike:
1. They're power can SOMETIMES get you out of a literal death trap (yes, I know.... as well as in one)
2. For better or worse, at least your part of the "normal" traffic flow. It doesn't really buy you any less risk, I suppose, but at least you have a legal place on the road that isn't a debris filled bike lane up against the curb.
Don't take this the wrong way. I love cycling... much more than the motorized counterpart. But I think people should have to pass a basic skills test, similar to the motorcycle test. I don't think anyone of sound mind would have a problem with a proof of skill test which would afford them a license.
ALSO: A mandatory helmet LAW for bicyclist. No excuses.
- actually ride a bike without falling.
- ride with one hand.
- ride with no hands.
- ability to look 180 degrees behind you in both directions.
- how to swerve
- how to bunny hop over obsticles
- how to use the brakes properly and efficiently
- how to take a corner effeciently without sliding out into the lane
- ability to perform a panic stop without falling
- ability to perform a evasive sprint... don't laugh
- getting in and out of clipless pedals properly without lurching into traffic
- how to fall properly.... because you're going to anyway.
- how to get out of a mess (riding in gravel and sand, recovering from catching a small ridge.
Hint: I just got a motorcycle, and I need to get training in order to get the license to ride it. I would do it even if it wasn't mandatory. It's made me keenly aware of the true risk of cycling, by comparison, to the motorcycle. and it's freakin' spooky.
Bicycles aren't that much different except for the motor.... and the speed, which is relative to how careless and stupid you want to be.....
Actually, motorcycles have two advantages over a bike:
1. They're power can SOMETIMES get you out of a literal death trap (yes, I know.... as well as in one)
2. For better or worse, at least your part of the "normal" traffic flow. It doesn't really buy you any less risk, I suppose, but at least you have a legal place on the road that isn't a debris filled bike lane up against the curb.
Don't take this the wrong way. I love cycling... much more than the motorized counterpart. But I think people should have to pass a basic skills test, similar to the motorcycle test. I don't think anyone of sound mind would have a problem with a proof of skill test which would afford them a license.
ALSO: A mandatory helmet LAW for bicyclist. No excuses.
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Well, you're certainly entitled to your opinion, though I don't think you're going to get a lot of agreement on either count. Have you thought about where the money for all this testing and licensing would come from? I'm a little murky on that part of it.
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The Coast Guard is recommending the same thing for recreational boat users.
However rec boat users are saying that they have rights to the waterways, and that licensing is not the answer. When Driver's licenses are mentioned as an example, the response is that "driving is a privilege not a right;" sound familiar?
Education is one thing, licensing is altogether different.
However rec boat users are saying that they have rights to the waterways, and that licensing is not the answer. When Driver's licenses are mentioned as an example, the response is that "driving is a privilege not a right;" sound familiar?
Education is one thing, licensing is altogether different.
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I think that pedestrians should also be required to pass a test before they can use the public roads, or operate a public restroom. I'd add a, "ride a wheelie for at least 25 feet", requirement to your list.
Is this really a problem? More people drown than are killed in bicycle accidents.
Is this really a problem? More people drown than are killed in bicycle accidents.
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Well, if your suggested rules were in use, then that would disqualify many people, including the majorly overweight, handicapped, and the poor.
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you show me how you do a bunny hop on a Harley, and I'll put it under consideration.
otherwise, I wonder how long the OP has been biking, how populist the OP considers bicycling, who does it, who could be considering bicycling, what types of bikes will be used, the skill levels of average riders, and what direction the OP wants to see cycling go in this country.
otherwise, I wonder how long the OP has been biking, how populist the OP considers bicycling, who does it, who could be considering bicycling, what types of bikes will be used, the skill levels of average riders, and what direction the OP wants to see cycling go in this country.
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This will sound harsh, but pretty much all of those skills are to preserve the bikers safety, not anyone elses (a bike isn't going to hurt a person in a car, and those won't help bikes hitting pedestrians much). Since that's the case, I see it as pretty much up to the biker to ensure his own safety; if he doesn't know what he's doing and gets himself injured or killed, that's his own fault, and if he survives, hopefully he'll get the right training before trying again. Same with helmets; anyone who doesn't wear one is taking an awful risk, but not wearing a helmet won't hurt anyone else.
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he just wants to ban overweight riders, kids, the special needs crowd, the elderly, and people on recumbents.
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Philmcb, I feel the exact opposite about motorcycles and bicycles than you do. Motorcycles operate at a much faster speed, which in turn, give you and the other motorist less time to react to each other, You're going to put more miles on a motorcycle, and greatly increasing you're chances for a accident. Comparing my crashes between the bicycle and motorcycle, the motorcycle crashes were the hardest ones. Oh, they don't make you take a motorcycle test one handed or no handed, at least not when I took mine.
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Originally Posted by philmcb
Even though I've been riding for over 30 years, I feel that anyone who uses public streets should be licensed for all the basic reasons and tested for the following basic riding skills like how to:
- actually ride a bike without falling.
- how to get out of a mess (riding in gravel and sand, recovering from catching a small ridge.
- how to fall properly.... because you're going to anyway.
- actually ride a bike without falling.
- how to get out of a mess (riding in gravel and sand, recovering from catching a small ridge.
- how to fall properly.... because you're going to anyway.
Originally Posted by philmcb
- ride with one hand.
Originally Posted by philmcb
- ride with no hands.
Originally Posted by philmcb
- ability to look 180 degrees behind you in both directions.
Originally Posted by philmcb
- how to swerve.
Originally Posted by philmcb
- how to bunny hop over obsticles
Originally Posted by philmcb
- how to use the brakes properly and efficiently
- how to take a corner effeciently without sliding out into the lane
- ability to perform a panic stop without falling
- getting in and out of clipless pedals properly without lurching into traffic
- ability to perform a evasive sprint... don't laugh
- how to take a corner effeciently without sliding out into the lane
- ability to perform a panic stop without falling
- getting in and out of clipless pedals properly without lurching into traffic
- ability to perform a evasive sprint... don't laugh
Originally Posted by philmcb
Bicycles aren't that much different except for the motor.... and the speed, which is relative to how careless and stupid you want to be......
Originally Posted by philmcb
For better or worse, at least your part of the "normal" traffic flow. It doesn't really buy you any less risk, I suppose, but at least you have a legal place on the road that isn't a debris filled bike lane up against the curb.
Originally Posted by philmcb
Don't take this the wrong way. I love cycling... much more than the motorized counterpart. But I think people should have to pass a basic skills test, similar to the motorcycle test. I don't think anyone of sound mind would have a problem with a proof of skill test which would afford them a license.
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Originally Posted by pj7
hahahahahhaha
good job N_C, I needed a laugh right now
good job N_C, I needed a laugh right now
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Originally Posted by N_C
Glad I could make you laugh, but I wasn't joking.
It's just the way you had a retor to every_single_thing that I found amusing... not in a sarcastic way, but an actual "I agree totally" kind of way.
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I don't think I'd like the idea of mandatory licensing for bikes. First of all, as has been mentioned, bad bicycling skills and/or poor judgement are mostly just a menace to the bad bicyclist. Second of all, one of the real attractions of cycling for me is its utter simplicity and purity, and I'd hate to see that diminished by a lot of unnecessary bureaucracy. Finally, I don't want to pay for it. A fee for licensing bicycling would be the ultimate regressive tax, and the very idea of it gives rise to strong Bolshevik feelings within my soul. Let those SUV-driving fascists pay for licensing, not the poor proles on bikes!!! (OK, not very many workers are actually on bikes just yet, but give it time...)
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Originally Posted by bragi
I don't think I'd like the idea of mandatory licensing for bikes. First of all, as has been mentioned, bad bicycling skills and/or poor judgement are mostly just a menace to the bad bicyclist. Second of all, one of the real attractions of cycling for me is its utter simplicity and purity, and I'd hate to see that diminished by a lot of unnecessary bureaucracy. Finally, I don't want to pay for it. A fee for licensing bicycling would be the ultimate regressive tax, and the very idea of it gives rise to strong Bolshevik feelings within my soul. Let those SUV-driving fascists pay for licensing, not the poor proles on bikes!!! (OK, not very many workers are actually on bikes just yet, but give it time...)
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When would kids need the license? After the training wheels come off? For their first day riding to the first grade? Then where do you stop? Razor scooters next? Maybe a rollerbladers and skateboarders should get a license too?
The beauty of bikes is their simplicity and ease of use. Let's not mess with that. I think this is very well the worst idea I've ever heard in my entire life.
The beauty of bikes is their simplicity and ease of use. Let's not mess with that. I think this is very well the worst idea I've ever heard in my entire life.
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Originally Posted by N_C
" - getting in and out of clipless pedals properly without lurching into traffic"
If you can't do this you should not be riding a bike period, never mind making it a legal requirment.
If you can't do this you should not be riding a bike period, never mind making it a legal requirment.
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While I agree that bicycles and motorcycles share very much the same hazards, these are hazards that are often caused by other motor vehicles. Motor vehicles whose drivers are already required to be licensed. If the driver of the motor vehicle is required to have a license and the motorcyclist is required to have a license, but still has the highest crash rate of any vehicle, requiring the bicyclist, which is the safest mode of road transportation only behind school buses, to have a license not going to help anything.
The mandatory helmet thing is rediculous. Both points would prove to be an unenforceable burden on individuals, law enforcement and the licensing entities.
A consequence of mandatory licensing, and the adjoining mandatory vehicle insurance for a bicycle, would be that many riders and commuters would drop out. They might decide that it costs so much to ride they might as well scrap the bike and drive. I would certainly consider this. Casual riders who ride around the block once in a while on their K-Mart special wouldn't even own a bike.
Sounds like another, "You should have to have one, because I have to have one."
The mandatory helmet thing is rediculous. Both points would prove to be an unenforceable burden on individuals, law enforcement and the licensing entities.
A consequence of mandatory licensing, and the adjoining mandatory vehicle insurance for a bicycle, would be that many riders and commuters would drop out. They might decide that it costs so much to ride they might as well scrap the bike and drive. I would certainly consider this. Casual riders who ride around the block once in a while on their K-Mart special wouldn't even own a bike.
Sounds like another, "You should have to have one, because I have to have one."
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Originally Posted by CommuterRun
Both points would prove to be an unenforceable burden on individuals, law enforcement and the licensing entities.
In practice, however, very little is gained by such a requirement. Just look at how well drivers' licenses 'ensure' the safety of others. Add to that the likelihood of a cyclist injuring others compared to getting injured him or herself. If enforced, it would place so large of a burden on bicyclists (as well as the 'controlling legal authorities') that bicycle use would plummet.
Helmet laws...I won't go there...
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I would not say I favor licensing. But, I think it wise schools encourage alternative transportation like cycling. Why should not cycling be incorporated somehow into high school sports curriculum.