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    here's a picture of a bike lane like chip describes that actually isn't that bad for the adaptive cyclist......

    two way bike traffic!

    all a bicycist has to do is keep their wits about them, and avoid the cars in the other lane. and the rest of the bikes, which will be all over the lane.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bekologist
    here's a picture of a bike lane like chip describes that actually isn't that bad for the adaptive cyclist......

    two way bike traffic!

    all a bicycist has to do is keep their wits about them, and avoid the cars in the other lane. and the rest of the bikes, which will be all over the lane.
    Imagine the same lane about 1/3 as wide.
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    Robert Hurst does do a very good treatment for riding roads in his book.
    Last edited by Bekologist; 02-27-07 at 05:40 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bekologist
    come ON, chip! I can help to define adaptive cycling just as much as the rest of ya!
    (i posted the photo because some poster was calling two way bike lanes hypothetical or non existant....)
    Yeah, I saw that, thanks. That thing is like wider than some of the car lanes I ride in!
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    Bek,

    Can you explain how this two way BL is intended to be used? I assume motor vehicle traffic (as shown by the car with lights on) is at minimum one way coming toward the photographer on the left side lane (from photographer perspective).

    Are motor vehicles allowed to use the lane (the right one from photographer persepective) with the two way BL icon? It looks like it based on the drying pattern of the wet road.

    If motor vehicles can use this lane, is it really a bike lane or a lane with a form of a sharrow?

    http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...9&d=1172518365

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    cars only left lane one way, bikes two way traffic on the right. It's a drawbridge underpass. the traffic splits a block behind my perspective.

    It's an unusual one, but its a two way, bigger than travel lane on road accomodation. Not that that is either here nor there in Adaptive cycling method or definition, just using it as an example of a facility Roody thought was nonexistant.
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    Bek, do you have a Google Maps link that shows this street? I'm curious as to how this lane begins and ends, for both auto and cyclist traffic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joejack951
    Bek, do you have a Google Maps link that shows this street? I'm curious as to how this lane begins and ends, for both auto and cyclist traffic.
    Good question. My guess? Not pretty.

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    Perhaps a new thread to discuss this specific bike lane would be in order. Prepend 'AC:' if you don't wish to get into a debate concerning bike lanes in general, or not if you don't mind such a debate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bekologist
    cars only left lane one way, bikes two way traffic on the right. It's a drawbridge underpass. the traffic splits a block behind my perspective.

    It's an unusual one, but its a two way, bigger than travel lane on road accomodation. Not that that is either here nor there in Adaptive cycling method or definition, just using it as an example of a facility Roody thought was nonexistant
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    Sorry, for some reason I seem to be having trouble understanding chipcom on this thread. I misunderstood his post (quoted below) to mean that the one-sided two-way bike lane existed only in What-if-ville. My fault entirely.

    If I ran across such a bike lane, I'd probably claim the right half as my own and ride merrily along. I'd be careful entering and exiting, and I'd expect the firendly cagers to be rather confused by the setup. It doesn't look too difficult in the pic, and I imagine you'd ride it the same way if you were AC, DC or VC. Not being an ideologically driven rider, I don't see how the 2 "systems" would differ in this or any other situation.



    Quote Originally Posted by chipcom
    But this does bring up an interesting situation that I'd love to see a thread for: a single bike lane on one side of the road where some riders are riding with traffic, others are going in the opposite direction. Definitely a badly designed bike lane...but if an OP is dead set on riding in it, what kind of tips and advice can we give?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Roody
    Sorry, for some reason I seem to be having trouble understanding chipcom on this thread. I misunderstood his post (quoted below) to mean that the one-sided two-way bike lane existed only in What-if-ville. My fault entirely.

    If I ran across such a bike lane, I'd probably claim the right half as my own and ride merrily along. I'd be careful entering and exiting, and I'd expect the firendly cagers to be rather confused by the setup. It doesn't look too difficult in the pic, and I imagine you'd ride it the same way if you were AC, DC or VC. Not being an ideologically driven rider, I don't see how the 2 "systems" would differ in this or any other situation.
    I think the main difference would be that we'd talk about things relevant to those that choose to ride 'in' that bike lane, rather than debating the merits of bike lanes or riding in bike lanes in general, which is done over and over again in other threads.

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    AC: using this 2 way bike lane

    These above posts were moved from the Adaptive Cycling Defined thread. You may wish to edit them for clarity in this new thread. When it looks good, someone let me know and I'll delete this message.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chipcom
    I think the main difference would be that we'd talk about things relevant to those that choose to ride 'in' that bike lane, rather than debating the merits of bike lanes or riding in bike lanes in general, which is done over and over again in other threads.
    Then this new thread is perfect for this discussion. We can't get anywhere meaningful though until Bek posts a link of an overview of this [insert what adjective you feel appropriate (mine would be "fine," heavy on the sarcasm)] creation.

    Thanks for creating this thread, Donna. I was going to offer to do the same myself in the other thread but left work before I posted there. Such a nice present waiting for me at the end of my commute

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    I'd ride to the right and expect approaching traffic to be on the left... If nobody was coming, though I'd ride n the middle or maybe ride in little "S" shapes all over it.
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    I really think that bike only lane should be devided. I have enough trouble with wrong way bikers when everyone knows where they should be. Other than that, it's a great concept.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chipcom
    I think the main difference would be that we'd talk about things relevant to those that choose to ride 'in' that bike lane, rather than debating the merits of bike lanes or riding in bike lanes in general, which is done over and over again in other threads.
    In this case I don't see where you'd have much choice but to ride in the wacky bike lane, unless you stupidly decided to ride against one way car traffic. I wonder why they decided to paint it this way. It seems like there's enough pavement to stripe it in a more traditional bike lane fashion.

    (edit) I suppose they probably did it this way because it's a one-way for cars and a two-way for bikes. But why didn't they just direct bikes to travel with the cars on a companion road that goes the other way? That would make it a one-way for cars and bikes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by donnamb
    These above posts were moved from the Adaptive Cycling Defined thread. You may wish to edit them for clarity in this new thread. When it looks good, someone let me know and I'll delete this message.
    Best thing that's happened to A&S in a long time is you becoming a mod, Donna. Thanks for taking the initiative on this.

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    I have another AC question semi-related to this same photo. How do people feel about going under bridges/tunnels like this on a bright sunny day? All of a sudden you're in the dark, and it can be hard for cagers to see you, especially if they have their sunglasses on. You don't have your lights on the bike if it's the middle of the day. This situation isn't so bad because the dim section is so short. But we have a busy one-way (no bike lane) that goes under a parking garage that's dark for almost 100 yards. I feel a little creepy going into situations like this, especially on a one way street.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Roody
    In this case I don't see where you'd have much choice but to ride in the wacky bike lane, unless you stupidly decided to ride against one way car traffic. I wonder why they decided to paint it this way. It seems like there's enough pavement to stripe it in a more traditional bike lane fashion.

    (edit) I suppose they probably did it this way because it's a one-way for cars and a two-way for bikes. But why didn't they just direct bikes to travel with the cars on a companion road that goes the other way? That would make it a one-way for cars and bikes.
    As wide as the thing is, I'd have to agree. Concerning this monster, I wonder if the folks that ride in it treat it like a bike-only road and follow the rules of the road in doing so, ie. staying right, moving right if riding two-abreast and folks are approaching from the other direction, etc.

    The reason I ask, we have a bike lane here that is maybe 1/3 as wide and runs on only one side of a two-way, 4 lane street. Some people (me included) opt for the road when riding in the opposite direction as the traffic lane, but many others stick to the bike lane and it's a free-for-all, no rules that I can see cept maybe the biggest, ugliest rider might get the right of way.

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    I'm not sure I wanted to make a post out of this one, because it is obvious when coming upon this facility that all an adaptive cyclist has to do is stay to the right and avoid the rest of the bikes. this is a cut of road that actually gets a bicyclist OFF a bike path (helemt head would be all for that) and places the rider more in a situation to ride a bike on the unacommodated streets around the university.It is either this road with bike lane, a path, or going a half mile, 8-10 blocks out of the way.

    but how DOES an adaptive cyclist ride this? seems painfully obvious.

    how would YOU ride this stretch of road, mr. head, if you were heading in the direction of the photo?
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    Quote Originally Posted by chipcom
    I think the main difference would be that we'd talk about things relevant to those that choose to ride 'in' that bike lane, rather than debating the merits of bike lanes or riding in bike lanes in general, which is done over and over again in other threads.
    Yeah. I don't know why people have a hard time distinguishing between riding bikes (safety) and talking about riding bikes (advocacy). In philosophy it's called Hume's Fork--thinking about how things really are--as opposed to thinking about how things should be.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bekologist
    this is a cut of road that actually gets a bicyclist OFF a bike path (helemt head would be all for that)
    Huh? What makes you think that?

    how would YOU ride this stretch of road, mr. head, if you were heading in the direction of the photo?
    I am an adaptive cyclist (who isn't?) Bek, so I would ride in the space demarcated by the bike lane stripe, assuming there isn't a better alternative (where do motorcyclists go?).

    Can you please provide the street names so we can find this on google?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bekologist
    but how DOES an adaptive cyclist ride this? seems painfully obvious.

    how would YOU ride this stretch of road, [A&S contributor], if you were heading in the direction of the photo?
    I, for one, would not be positioned where the rider is as shown in the photo if I knew this was a two way bike lane. I'd be further right, probably centerish to right tire track.

    Can you please provide either a Google Maps link to the road or a road name and zip code so that we can see the "big picture?"

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    Quit copying me, HH!

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    Quote Originally Posted by joejack951
    I, for one, would not be positioned where the rider is as shown in the photo if I knew this was a two way bike lane. I'd be further right, probably centerish to right tire track.

    Can you please provide either a Google Maps link to the road or a road name and zip code so that we can see the "big picture?
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    How's there going to be a tire track in a bike lane?

    I wouldn't feel any pressure to ride right if there were clearly no other cyclists using the lane. If I wasn't alone there, I'd stay right in obedience to the vehicular conventions. besides, the cyclist in the picture probably just finished passing the photographer.


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