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Old 03-05-07, 11:33 AM   #1
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Are they freaking kidding!!!?

Check this crap out! Some of this is just stupid! I wonder what idiot non-cycling politician dreamt this idea up. Probably the same moron who tried to save cyclists from themselves when he introduced a bill that would have banned all cyclists from roadways where they parrallel a trail.

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What next? Propeller beanies?
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What next? Propeller beanies?
Yeah really. Then they'll dictate that we have to wear helmets & that the beanies are to go on the outside of the helmet.

Did you catch what they are doing for those that ride snowmobiles, atv's, etc? click the link at the bottom of the page.
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omg, that bill is ********....
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What is wrong with wearing reflective clothing? They already require reflectors which frankly don't work very well. But we do know that reflective clothing does work, so why not? Just think of all the safety features required on a car. You want a bike to be considered a vehicle but you don't want to follow even a fraction of the laws as they apply to cars. What a double standard.
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Welcome to the slippery slope. When cycling safety becomes a political issue, all sorts of crazy stuff gets introduced. On the bright side, hardly any of it ever survives past committee, let alone a full vote.
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What is wrong with wearing reflective clothing?
Nothing, but in the context of making such things required by law for cycling, three words come to mind:

"barriers to entry"

If such a law passes you're gonna see a lot more cyclists on the off-road facilities (which I think would be exempt) and less on the roads.

Imagine what would happen to RAGBRAI if everyone was required to wear reflective clothing and have safety flags...which translates to 'negative economic impact'
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Am I reading this right that the proposal for reflective material is also required during full daylight?
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What does a 6x9" flag look like to motorists behind you? I think it looks like this: |

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What does a 6x9" flag look like to motorists behind you? I think it looks like this: |

Unless there's a good crosswind! Hmm, might as well add that as a requirement too while they're at it: Thou shalt not ride when wind speeds are below 15mph and thou shall keep the wind perpendicular to your direction of travel at all times.
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Can I borrow the one on the back of my 5 year olds bike? And yes, from behind it looks like a stick.
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But we do know that reflective clothing does work, so why not? Just think of all the safety features required on a car. You want a bike to be considered a vehicle but you don't want to follow even a fraction of the laws as they apply to cars. What a double standard.
I didn't see the law requiring motor vehicles to have reflective tape on the bumper and be painted bright orange. The only visibility requirement for motor vehicles is correct exterior lighting.... which is already a requirement for bikes. All of this flag stuff is above and beyond that.

I do not get the reasoning behing your implication that vehicles weighing 10-20 times as much as bicycles and travelling 3-5 times as fast should require similar levels of safety equipment.
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Oooh, there goes Iowa off the holiday list then

This stuff is just crazy... must carry ID at all times? for why? and the least said about the flag, the better...
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Oooh, there goes Iowa off the holiday list then

This stuff is just crazy... must carry ID at all times? for why? and the least said about the flag, the better...
Do you always react that way when one nobody makes a silly proposal that is going nowhere except the dust bin? Tighten down the straps on the tin foil. The Red Coats are coming!
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That’s totally whack. Out of curiosity is there a commercially available safety flag that can attach to a regular adult bike that fits these specs? And the big question is there something that can fit ALL bikes? I think that since this is not standard equipment that the state should pay for the refitting of the bikes already sold that do not have this flag, that should shoot down this bill pretty well.
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<<What is wrong with wearing reflective clothing? They already require reflectors which frankly don't work very well. But we do know that reflective clothing does work, so why not? Just think of all the safety features required on a car. You want a bike to be considered a vehicle but you don't want to follow even a fraction of the laws as they apply to cars. What a double standard.>>

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What the issue of having to carry an id when riding opens the door to is mandatory liscensing. From there it opens the door to mandatory liability insurance on cyclists & eventually mandatory safety requirments, like helmets, certain style & types of bikes, etc. Where would it end if we let the ******* safety nannies, who in this case are also politicians, have their way?

Holy crap was I really this bad with my helmet dogma? I sincerly apologize for that. I now see how bad it can be.
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Ya' know........
I had a conversation with a non-cycling driver a while back. Went something like this.

<Idle chit-chat leading up to the good part.>
Motorist: "The government really needs to do something about the price of gas. The oil speculators have us over a barrel and it's starting to really hurt."
Me: "Really? I hadn't particularly noticed."
Motorist: <incredulous> "You haven't noticed three dollar a gallon gas? What kind of car do you drive?"
Me: "Well, a Toyota Highlander, but it's for the wife and kids. My primary transportation is a bicycle."
Motorist: <more incredulous> "A bicycle? On these roads? How do you get around without getting run over?"
Me: "Why would you run over me?"
Motorist: "Not me, the other drivers."
Me: "Why would you think you're a better driver than everyone else? What do you measure that by?"
Motorist: "Well, um....err. Haven't you seen all the idiots on the road?"
Me: "Not particularly. Every once in awhile somebody will pull a bone-head move, but from what I see, either on the bike or in the car, drivers in this area are, for the most part, excellent."
Motorist: "You're gonna' get killed out there."
Me: "Why would you want to kill me?"
Motorist: "Unbelievable." <walks off>

The BS in this bill reminds me of that conversation. An egotistical, narcissistic, non-cycling motorist who thinks everybody else is an idiot. People like this are the epitome of people who cause their own problems.
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Do you always react that way when one nobody makes a silly proposal that is going nowhere except the dust bin? Tighten down the straps on the tin foil. The Red Coats are coming!
Not quite sure where you are coming from here. My apologies if I caused any (unintended) offence to Iowans . It was just a light hearted remark.

Perhaps I misinterpreted the context of the article cited in the original post, but I took it to mean that the bill had become law. Reading again I see (I think) that it has only been introduced. I'm still getting used to the way things run in this country!

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I had a conversation with a non-cycling driver a while back. Went something like this.

<Idle chit-chat leading up to the good part.>
Motorist: "The government really needs to do something about the price of gas. The oil speculators have us over a barrel and it's starting to really hurt."
Me: "Really? I hadn't particularly noticed."
Motorist: <incredulous> "You haven't noticed three dollar a gallon gas? What kind of car do you drive?"
Me: "Well, a Toyota Highlander, but it's for the wife and kids. My primary transportation is a bicycle."
Motorist: <more incredulous> "A bicycle? On these roads? How do you get around without getting run over?"
Me: "Why would you run over me?"
Motorist: "Not me, the other drivers."
Me: "Why would you think you're a better driver than everyone else? What do you measure that by?"
Motorist: "Well, um....err. Haven't you seen all the idiots on the road?"
Me: "Not particularly. Every once in awhile somebody will pull a bone-head move, but from what I see, either on the bike or in the car, drivers in this area are, for the most part, excellent."
Motorist: "You're gonna' get killed out there."
Me: "Why would you want to kill me?"
Motorist: "Unbelievable." <walks off>
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Ya' know........
I had a conversation with a non-cycling driver a while back. Went something like this.

<Idle chit-chat leading up to the good part.>
Motorist: "The government really needs to do something about the price of gas. The oil speculators have us over a barrel and it's starting to really hurt."
Me: "Really? I hadn't particularly noticed."
Motorist: <incredulous> "You haven't noticed three dollar a gallon gas? What kind of car do you drive?"
Me: "Well, a Toyota Highlander, but it's for the wife and kids. My primary transportation is a bicycle."
Motorist: <more incredulous> "A bicycle? On these roads? How do you get around without getting run over?"
Me: "Why would you run over me?"
Motorist: "Not me, the other drivers."
Me: "Why would you think you're a better driver than everyone else? What do you measure that by?"
Motorist: "Well, um....err. Haven't you seen all the idiots on the road?"
Me: "Not particularly. Every once in awhile somebody will pull a bone-head move, but from what I see, either on the bike or in the car, drivers in this area are, for the most part, excellent."
Motorist: "You're gonna' get killed out there."
Me: "Why would you want to kill me?"
Motorist: "Unbelievable." <walks off>

The BS in this bill reminds me of that conversation. An egotistical, narcissistic, non-cycling motorist who thinks everybody else is an idiot. People like this are the epitome of people who cause their own problems.
I take it you were not on your bike with him in his car at the time? Or were you on your bike & he was walking?
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ILTB,

I know we don't get along all that well here & don't always see eye to eye & at least for now we are leaving each other alone. Seems there has been an unspoken agreement made to keep the peace here.

But as an Iowan what do you think of this crap? Are you going to do anyting to help stop it?

I am, that's for sure.
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ILTB,

I know we don't get along all that well here & don't always see eye to eye & at least for now we are leaving each other alone. Seems there has been an unspoken agreement made to keep the peace here.

But as an Iowan what do you think of this crap? Are you going to do anyting to help stop it?

I am, that's for sure.
Contact your own representative to get his/her feel if this bill even has a chance to come out of committee before freaking out. Introducing a bill is just the first step in a long process of approval and the vast majority never see the light of a vote or if they do, end up with vastly different wording and meaning. If approved by the House, a bill usually needs to go to your state Senate, where even more changes could me made or it could be killed. If it survives, but in a different form, then a conference committee has to iron out the differences.

If your Rep thinks it has a chance, next step is to identify the committee members and start lobbying them with letters and emails....some educational emails to the bill's sponsors may also help. But I don't think this piece of work is ever going to come out of committee.
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What is wrong with wearing reflective clothing? They already require reflectors which frankly don't work very well. But we do know that reflective clothing does work, so why not? Just think of all the safety features required on a car. You want a bike to be considered a vehicle but you don't want to follow even a fraction of the laws as they apply to cars. What a double standard.
The most compelling reason not to wear reflective clothing is that it makes you look like a DORK. I would suspect that more than a few drivers will target the DORK.
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