NYPD=Bicycle Theives?
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NYPD=Bicycle Theives?
This seems crazy to me, and I can't believe it's not being debated here. I'm poaching info from Stacy's thread in the Northeast forum.
CBS News had some cell phone video and NY 1 is running a story on their website
From https://www.ny1.com/ny1/content/index...id=1&aid=70390
Local Bicyclists Want Charges Dropped From Alleged Sweep Last Week
June 04, 2007
A city environmental group and local bicyclists are calling on the NYPD to stop harassing people riding bicycles after they say police went on a raid last week.
The non-profit organization Time's Up says officers were videotaped Thursday night sawing off bike locks and arresting bystanders on East 6th Street between First and Second Avenues.
Witnesses say without warning, officers cut the locks off about 50 bikes and then let people walk off with them without showing proof of ownership. They say police also took away some of the bikes in an unmarked van.
One witness, who was videotaping the scene, was arrested after he asked one of the officers for his name and badge number. Another woman was also arrested after questioning the officers.
"I guess I started asking too many questions and I got placed under arrest for disorderly conduct and spent 20 hours down in central booking,” said arrested bicycle owner Robert Carnivale.
“What happened that night is simply unacceptable and unlawful behavior by the New York City police department. It demonstrates, unfortunately, a continued, ongoing pattern of hostility and harassment of New York City cyclists,” said civil rights attorney Norman Siegel.
Time's Up and the cyclists are now requesting a meeting with the commanding officer of the Ninth Precinct. They also want to know how the NYPD plans to return the bikes, and is demanding charges be dropped against those arrested.
The NYPD says some bikes were returned to their owners at the scene, while others were returned at the precinct if the rider could prove that they were the owner.
They also say there were two arrests; one for disorderly conduct, the other for a misdemeanor drug charge.
The pertinent video clip:
https://blip.tv/file/252942/
See also:
https://www.onnyturf.com/wiki/
https://www.ny1.com/ny1/content/index...id=1&aid=70390
CBS News had some cell phone video and NY 1 is running a story on their website
From https://www.ny1.com/ny1/content/index...id=1&aid=70390
Local Bicyclists Want Charges Dropped From Alleged Sweep Last Week
June 04, 2007
A city environmental group and local bicyclists are calling on the NYPD to stop harassing people riding bicycles after they say police went on a raid last week.
The non-profit organization Time's Up says officers were videotaped Thursday night sawing off bike locks and arresting bystanders on East 6th Street between First and Second Avenues.
Witnesses say without warning, officers cut the locks off about 50 bikes and then let people walk off with them without showing proof of ownership. They say police also took away some of the bikes in an unmarked van.
One witness, who was videotaping the scene, was arrested after he asked one of the officers for his name and badge number. Another woman was also arrested after questioning the officers.
"I guess I started asking too many questions and I got placed under arrest for disorderly conduct and spent 20 hours down in central booking,” said arrested bicycle owner Robert Carnivale.
“What happened that night is simply unacceptable and unlawful behavior by the New York City police department. It demonstrates, unfortunately, a continued, ongoing pattern of hostility and harassment of New York City cyclists,” said civil rights attorney Norman Siegel.
Time's Up and the cyclists are now requesting a meeting with the commanding officer of the Ninth Precinct. They also want to know how the NYPD plans to return the bikes, and is demanding charges be dropped against those arrested.
The NYPD says some bikes were returned to their owners at the scene, while others were returned at the precinct if the rider could prove that they were the owner.
They also say there were two arrests; one for disorderly conduct, the other for a misdemeanor drug charge.
The pertinent video clip:
https://blip.tv/file/252942/
See also:
https://www.onnyturf.com/wiki/
https://www.ny1.com/ny1/content/index...id=1&aid=70390
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The NY1 links appear to be broken.
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urg! how the heck are most of us going to prove we own the bikes? i don't think i'd be able to find a record of the seriel numbers or even a reciept for my bikes. maybe i should keep better records for when the police saw off the locks and take my bike. unreal. by the way, i think this was happening last year or two as well. seems like they go ape crap every so often.
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Actualy the orginal thread was started by superslomo.
Oddly enough, my bike is registered in the 20th Precinct. Not beause I live in the 20th Precinct, on the Upper West Side, but becuase they were doing bike registrations at the Family Bike Festival in Riverside park. As far as I know neither my local precinct, or the 9th precinct would have access to that data. If cyclists are going to have to prove ownership on the spot maybe that should be a city-wide database? Or maybe NYPD should try using a little common sense and follow their own guidelines?
Oddly enough, my bike is registered in the 20th Precinct. Not beause I live in the 20th Precinct, on the Upper West Side, but becuase they were doing bike registrations at the Family Bike Festival in Riverside park. As far as I know neither my local precinct, or the 9th precinct would have access to that data. If cyclists are going to have to prove ownership on the spot maybe that should be a city-wide database? Or maybe NYPD should try using a little common sense and follow their own guidelines?
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hmm interesting.. I am sure there is a reason behind this that isn't being completely reported... these stories seem to be pretty one sided and not giving the full story of the city... either way still pretty harsh.
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Well I watched the vid, and I'd say you should have called the cops, because you're bikes wehere being stolen, but in this case, I guess you're out of luck.
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I guess when I come to N.Y. I won't bring my ID, I'd just run away from that fat cop and the little woman.
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Sounds like more of the NYC Critical Mass pissing contest.
Interesting that the article leaves out that little bit of context.
Interesting that the article leaves out that little bit of context.
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Originally Posted by maddyfish
Why were the cops taking the bikes?
What's disturbing is (1) cutting locks when the cyclist is volunteering to unlock the bike, (2) allowing people to walk off with a bike without proof of ownership, and (3) arresting witnesses for having the impertinence to ask questions.
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One more thing-- if New York spent as much effort installing secure bike racks as they do cutting bikes off of subway entrances, would they still need to conduct bike sweeps? Doubtful....
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I was just waiting for the anti-CM axe-grinders to arrive. That it took a dozen posts for the first one is kind of surprising.
Look. The issue here is that parked bikes had their locks clipped and were hauled away without warning. Is the bad blood between CM and the NYPD a contributing factor? No doubt. But you should realize that your bike could have been on that street.
Look. The issue here is that parked bikes had their locks clipped and were hauled away without warning. Is the bad blood between CM and the NYPD a contributing factor? No doubt. But you should realize that your bike could have been on that street.
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Originally Posted by CB HI
Sounds like more of the NYC Critical Mass pissing contest.
Interesting that the article leaves out that little bit of context.
Interesting that the article leaves out that little bit of context.
CM is a couple hundred people once a month these days. Cycling in NYC is tens of thousands of people on two wheels every day
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Originally Posted by Bklyn
I was just waiting for the anti-CM axe-grinders to arrive. That it took a dozen posts for the first one is kind of surprising.
Look. The issue here is that parked bikes had their locks clipped and were hauled away without warning. Is the bad blood between CM and the NYPD a contributing factor? No doubt. But you should realize that your bike could have been on that street.
Look. The issue here is that parked bikes had their locks clipped and were hauled away without warning. Is the bad blood between CM and the NYPD a contributing factor? No doubt. But you should realize that your bike could have been on that street.
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Originally Posted by Blue Order
(3) arresting witnesses for having the pertinence to ask questions.
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Originally Posted by CB HI
I think both sides are wrong on this, CM and the police.
One of the current tactics for NYC CM is, when they see the cops coming, arresting or whatever; is to jump off their bikes, locked them up (even if the large number of bikes block the sidewalk) and walk away.
In response the police cut the locks and either remove the bikes or give them back to the CM rider who has been standing there watching the cops cut his lock.
Again to the OP, why was it not mentioned that this occurred during CM. Are you trying to hide something or just flame against the cops when you are both wrong.
One of the current tactics for NYC CM is, when they see the cops coming, arresting or whatever; is to jump off their bikes, locked them up (even if the large number of bikes block the sidewalk) and walk away.
In response the police cut the locks and either remove the bikes or give them back to the CM rider who has been standing there watching the cops cut his lock.
Again to the OP, why was it not mentioned that this occurred during CM. Are you trying to hide something or just flame against the cops when you are both wrong.
"The non-profit organization Time's Up says officers were videotaped Thursday night sawing off bike locks and arresting bystanders on East 6th Street between First and Second Avenues."
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And yes, I would be very upset if my bike got impounded while running errands because of the childish behaivor of both the CM'ers and the police.
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Now if I read my calendar right, the last friday of the month of May was the 25th. The bike seizure was almost a full week later, on 31 May (or 30 May, depending on the source) neither of which was a Friday, let alone the last Friday of the month.
If you got an axe to grind at least try to get it right, man.
If you got an axe to grind at least try to get it right, man.
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Originally Posted by CB HI
And yes, I would be very upset if my bike got impounded while running errands because of the childish behaivor of both the CM'ers and the police.
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https://times-up.org/calendar/calenda...r&Submit=Limit
That's the link to time's up's calendar, on which you can see the CM for may is clearly not the same day as the seizures, if the reports from multiple media sources are to be believed.
You were saying??
That's the link to time's up's calendar, on which you can see the CM for may is clearly not the same day as the seizures, if the reports from multiple media sources are to be believed.
You were saying??
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Originally Posted by CB HI
Again to the OP, why was it not mentioned that this occurred during CM. Are you trying to hide something or just flame against the cops when you are both wrong.
What are you talking about?