Cool User Name

You make a lot of suppositions that don't follow the evidence.

If you watch the video, it looks like the accident happened at the low spot between two downhills. Nothing in the video implies the woman was on the uphill leg as you claim.

There were eyewitnesses to the bikes just prior to the accident, obviously if the bikes were going slow then that's what the cops would have been told, and they wouldn't be talking about the hill creating the speed.

You talk about the injury as if you know where and how it happened, but you don't, the video of one of the wrecked bikes shows trees, and one could have gone head first into a tree.

It's fine to speculate, but based on the story we have a hill, a high rate of speed, a collision loud enough to be heard by people out of sight of the accident itself and severe head injuries without confirmation that it was impact with ground.

It seems pretty clear this is just a couple reckless riders going too fast for their abilities.

CB HI

Look who is over speculating. High speed was not required for the injury as you insist. I heard the < 3 mph crash as well as seeing it, so no evidence there of high speed. The original poster even states "it has no steep grades".

Check the video again. They describe the man heading east as they show a downhill view, they then describe the woman heading west with a timed view of uphill. The implication of views of what the cyclist saw is clear.

Based on the story, there is no indication of speed except the cops speculation and your assumptions.

Do you deny that a death could occur from a fall of the height of a cyclist onto concrete?

Explain how the back of the head was injured in your high speed scenario.

Cool User Name

You need to check the video, they show a the low point between two downhills, not an uphill. Learn to look at the video and see what is there, not what you want to see.

"Heikes was eastbound on the trail, Lucas was westbound, and each was riding down a steep hill"

https://cjonline.com/stories/080407/loc_188969500.shtml

The height of a cyclist is really no higher than a person standing, without speed the danger is the same as falling down, with speed the danger is significantly greater. The same is true for going over the handlebars, without speed the chance is very slim of being thrown over the bike, with speed it's much more probable to be vaulted.

Use simple common sense, a wreck where two bikes hit at the bottom of two hills = speed.

Also:

"Lucas hit her head on a tree when she fell off of her bike, according to the Shawnee Heights firefighters"

https://www.49abcnews.com/news/2007/a...a_womans_life/

CB HI

You have never seen a fall from a short height where the head contacts the ground first, have you. It can and has killed many times. No forward speed or momentum involved. Falling down on your butt is not the same as falling directly onto your head.

"Lucas hit her head on a tree when she fell off of her bike, according to the Shawnee Heights firefighters"

or

"Sheriff's deputies investigating the accident think that after the bicyclists collided and were thrown off their bikes, Lucas' head struck the paved trail, said Sgt. Caleb Acree."


Which means the cyclist speed had little to do with the head injury on the back of her head. If she had alot of speed, her momentum would have carried her forward causing her face to either hit the pavement or tree; or the top of her head to hit the tree; NOT the back of her head. Hitting the back of her head indicates a fall to the side or a flip over the bar with a downward vector from gravity; not forward momentum. Many endos occur with little forward speed. The endos that do occur at high speed tend to throw the cyclist forward causing them to land on their face or chest, again, NOT the back of the head.

Use some simple common sense yourself, and stop insisting that the accident and her injuries had to be caused by speed. ""There are a lot of unknowns", Acree also said."

I have provided a witnessed event with exactly the same injury, and the cyclist combined speed was < 3 mph.

Any single track mountain biker can tell you how easy it is to endo at slow speeds and how hard their heads hit even with the low speed.

The mans injuries may be consistent with speed, but we do not know because his injuries are not published.

What are being called hills, are really only slight downgrades. A google earth side photo of the path:

CB HI

Where is the support for your claim that one of them was cutting a poor visibility corner?

Cool User Name

I never said that was the case, only that thats when you see collisions on trail most often, people going faster than their vision and brakes will work.

Where is your proof the fatal injury was caused at the back of her head?

Your witnessed event was not this one, and has no bearing on this case. The accident happened at the base of two hills, both cyclists going downhill, and produced a collision that was audible to people too far away to see the accident. The investigators all agree that the accident indicates both were thrown off their bikes, and all the pictures of the crash scene show the bikes in the trees.



Everything about this accident indicates that speed was the major contributing factor.

Rollfast

Study the structure of a human head and how injuries kill in boxing or whiplash involved injuries cause brain injuries. The membrane between the two halves of the brain is highly problematic in traumas involving sudden twisting on impact. A bullet, by itself causes tissue damage...it takes a shock to the nervous system of huge and electric magnitude to do a lot of the fatal work. Enough variables to show that life can be fragile and human life is some of the most fragile of all.

There are fatalities. How is left to the police and the coroner's office. What now is what the families are going to figure out. There isn't an easy answer to that question.

CB HI

Did you even read the OP?
Your photo does not show the bottom of 2 hills. There is no change of slope in the photo, so one of the cyclist was going up hill (as if that slight slope can even be called a hill). The only indication of cause of injury is blunt force trauma, which could easily occur from a fall off a stopped bicycle.

littlewaywelt

He was seated on a bar about 12 inches high and his head was only 2.5 ft above the ground. He fell backwards and rotated as his butt stayed in place like a gymnast on a bar, so the head travelled farther than the 2.5 ft. The distance (1/2 the circumfrence of the circle his head would have made) traveled was about 4.5 ft. Again, it was a force issue (speed & distance) combined with a very small surface area of impact. If he had hit a flat surface it wouldn't have been nearly as bad as the concrete edge in terms of a psi at the impact site. If he fell flat from a distance of 2.5 ft where his head was, he would have been fine. The RN seemed unable to grasp two things, first the distance traveled was greater than the 2.5 ft his head was above the ground, and two that the fact that he hit a sharp edge was much worse than impacting a flat surface.

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Cool User Name

Yes, but that is rumor, do you have an official source describing all her injuries?

Yes, in fact it does, since that is where the accident is said to have happened. The photo only shows a few feet of trail so you just can't see the whole picture.

CB HI

Now the OPs wife, an ER nurse at the hospital, is just rumor!

CB HI