Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

Advocacy & Safety Cyclists should expect and demand safe accommodation on every public road, just as do all other users. Discuss your bicycle advocacy and safety concerns here.

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 08-08-07, 07:39 PM   #1
Ron Roberts
Newbie
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Bikes:
Posts: 1
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Problems with dogs

OK guys, we've all had this problem at one time or another. The dogs seem to delight in chasing bikers. And the irresponsible owners seem to feel like it's OK for them to do so. NOW, I'm looking for an electronic device that emits a sound that will absolutely stop the dog in its tracks well before it gets close to me. I've seen some for sale on the internet but I get the impression they are too weak. Has anyone tried them? And how effective are they? I DO NOT want to harm the dog. But, kinda like when you spank your kids, I want it to hurt without harming. I think if it doesn't hurt, the dog won't stop the attack. I don't want to use Mace or pepper spray or a club, etc. There's too much chance of losing control of the bike while using them. SO, again, what I'm looking for is one of those ultrasound, battery powered devices with enough power to REALLY do the job. If none is available, I've considered buying one of the less powerful models and getting it modified for MORE power(souping it up). Comments? Ideas? Info? Thanks in advance for any and all responses.
Ron
Ron Roberts is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-08-07, 08:10 PM   #2
croscoe
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Bikes:
Posts: 562
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I'm not usually in a hurry, so I stop and say "go home" in a stern voice, and the dogs usually go away. When I would try to outrun them, they would assume I was playing and chase me. I've never tried any ultrasonic devices. Good luck.
croscoe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-08-07, 08:50 PM   #3
LittleBigMan
Sumanitu taka owaci
 
LittleBigMan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Bikes:
Posts: 8,945
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Roberts View Post
OK guys, we've all had this problem at one time or another. The dogs seem to delight in chasing bikers. And the irresponsible owners seem to feel like it's OK for them to do so. NOW, I'm looking for an electronic device that emits a sound that will absolutely stop the dog in its tracks well before it gets close to me. I've seen some for sale on the internet but I get the impression they are too weak. Has anyone tried them? And how effective are they? I DO NOT want to harm the dog. But, kinda like when you spank your kids, I want it to hurt without harming. I think if it doesn't hurt, the dog won't stop the attack. I don't want to use Mace or pepper spray or a club, etc. There's too much chance of losing control of the bike while using them. SO, again, what I'm looking for is one of those ultrasound, battery powered devices with enough power to REALLY do the job. If none is available, I've considered buying one of the less powerful models and getting it modified for MORE power(souping it up). Comments? Ideas? Info? Thanks in advance for any and all responses.
Ron
In my neck of the woods, it's illegal to let your dog run free. Getting your dog back from the pound is expensive.

Check your local laws. If a dog is endangering you, report it to Animal Control (or similar authorities.)

Sad, having to do that, though, since the pound is a killing ground, as well. But a caring owner will go get their dog back before that happens.

Sad world we live in when owners won't control their pets. A neighbor always lets their dog run free, even in rainy cold weather. I feel sorry for the dog, but I don't report it, because I don't want to take a chance the dog will be put down if they don't pay the fines and nobody else takes the dog home before the deadline.
__________________
No worries
LittleBigMan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-08-07, 10:17 PM   #4
Bekologist
totally louche
 
Bekologist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: A land that time forgot
Bikes: the ever shifting stable loaded with comfortable road bikes and city and winter bikes
Posts: 18,025
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
pepper spray. or, a cattle prod or wand taser.
Bekologist is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-08-07, 10:41 PM   #5
tomg
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: south jersey
Bikes:
Posts: 1,206
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
stern voiceed "NO" has worked, squirting water from bottle works somewhat (have heard of ammonia/water mixture, but yet to try it), calling the animal controle was worthless for me on one instance (they even acknowledged the repeat offender dog). be careful with pepperspray (watch the wind direction). owners can be more of a pita...
do what you need to do to ride safe!
tomg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-09-07, 08:09 AM   #6
San Rensho 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Bikes:
Posts: 5,559
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 24 Post(s)
A water bottle that can shoot a thin stream of water works wonders. Hit the dog in the face and he stops in his tracks until he can see again. I can usually get them from 10-15 feet away and I never even have to break my stride.

Then go and spray the owner in the face too!

Don't use ammonia, its cruel and can cause permanent damage. Use pepper spray if you feel you have to use an irritant against a dog.
__________________
Il faut de l'audace, encore de l'audace, toujours de l'audace

1980 3Rensho-- 1975 Raleigh Sprite 3spd
1990s Raleigh M20 MTB--2007 Windsor Hour (track)
1988 Ducati 750 F1
San Rensho is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-09-07, 08:32 AM   #7
nashcommguy
nashcommguy
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: nashville, tn
Bikes: Commuters: Fuji Delray road, Fuji Discovery mtb...Touring: Softride Traveler...Road: C-dale SR300
Posts: 2,499
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
A disposable airhorn from Target, Direct Stop from Petsmart and when I ride w/my wife a Crosman C11 Pellet gun w/a small buck knife. We live rural and the danger from dog harassment is a continual problem. Also, there are feral hogs living in this area along w/bears, wolverines(I saw one @ night last winter), etc. If you startle a feral hog they WILL charge.

Most of the time the airhorn will stop a dog in it's tracks as they're VERY loud. We've only had to use the Direct Stop twice...once when surrounded and once w/a very determined pitt/mastiff mix. He still bit me on the ankle AFTER I'd sprayed him full in the face. It was at that point I decided to invest in the pellet gun. 420 ft per sec/18 shot magazine/15 oz loaded. The buck knife was added when realizing there are animals which NOTHING will stop. It's carried on every ride.

Have contacted animal control and reported loose dogs. The State has increased the penalties to a felony in extreme cases, i.e. death or serious maiming. Thanks, but no thanks...I'll make the descision in the moment as to what type of force to use, lethal or otherwise and take my chances w/an unsympathetic court system or irrate owner. When it's just the dog, hog, bear, etc. and my wife and/or me it's our responsibility to eliminate any threat.
nashcommguy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-09-07, 09:40 AM   #8
eubi
No Rocket Surgeon
 
eubi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Corona and S. El Monte, CA
Bikes: Cannondale D600, Dahon Speed T7
Posts: 1,648
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Good advice.

I tried the ammonia trick, but found plain water works just as well, and there's no chance of mixing up the bottles if I get thirsty.
__________________
Fewer Cars, more handlebars!
eubi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-09-07, 11:39 AM   #9
LittleBigMan
Sumanitu taka owaci
 
LittleBigMan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Bikes:
Posts: 8,945
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bekologist View Post
pepper spray. or, a cattle prod or wand taser.
You carry a cattle prod on your bike? A taser? Please.

Dogs are controlled by their owners. Go after the source. You might help the whole neighborhood in the process.
__________________
No worries
LittleBigMan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-09-07, 11:56 AM   #10
banerjek
Portland Fred
 
banerjek's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Bikes: Custom Winter, Challenge Seiran SL, Fuji Team Pro, Cattrike Road/Velokit, РOS hybrid
Posts: 11,214
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 28 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleBigMan View Post
Sad world we live in when owners won't control their pets. A neighbor always lets their dog run free, even in rainy cold weather. I feel sorry for the dog, but I don't report it, because I don't want to take a chance the dog will be put down if they don't pay the fines and nobody else takes the dog home before the deadline.
Sometimes, things can actually work out. I was once attacked and for various reasons chose not to report it. A witness reported the dog, and it was impounded.

Knowing something about the owners, I felt terrible since I thought it was a certain death sentence and there was nothing wrong with the dog except it was owned by irresponsible morons. Months later, I found out that the dog been adopted by someone responsible about 1/2 mile away who took proper care of it.
banerjek is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-09-07, 12:44 PM   #11
evblazer
Thread Killer
 
evblazer's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Marfan Syndrome-Clyde-DFW, TX
Bikes: Fuji Touring Xtracycle, Merlin Road, Bacchetta Giro 26 (Sold), Challenge Hurricane, Cruzbike Sofrider
Posts: 1,845
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bekologist View Post
pepper spray. or, a cattle prod or wand taser.
If they ever release this vomit inducing flashlight to the public, i'm sure someone will produce a knockoff if they haven't already, I wonder if it will work on dogs for this purpose.
evblazer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-09-07, 01:31 PM   #12
SDRider
Cat None
 
SDRider's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: San Diego
Bikes: LOOK KG 461, LeMond Zurich, Giant Talon 29er 0
Posts: 4,510
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleBigMan View Post
In my neck of the woods, it's illegal to let your dog run free. Getting your dog back from the pound is expensive.

Check your local laws. If a dog is endangering you, report it to Animal Control (or similar authorities.)

Sad, having to do that, though, since the pound is a killing ground, as well. But a caring owner will go get their dog back before that happens.

Sad world we live in when owners won't control their pets. A neighbor always lets their dog run free, even in rainy cold weather. I feel sorry for the dog, but I don't report it, because I don't want to take a chance the dog will be put down if they don't pay the fines and nobody else takes the dog home before the deadline.
That doesn't really help him much when the dog is chasing him down the street though.

Personally, I'd use mace or pepper spray. Last time I was chased by a dog I blasted it in the face/eyes with the contents of my water bottle which happened to be grapefruit juice. I bet that stung.
SDRider is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-09-07, 01:42 PM   #13
sggoodri
Senior Member
 
sggoodri's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Cary, NC
Bikes: 1983 Trek, 2001 Lemond, 2000 Gary Fisher
Posts: 3,073
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
If you have a few minutes, here's a satisfying Judge Judy video concerning a dog-meets cyclist collision.

http://video.stumbleupon.com/#p=a7rz92dcr3
sggoodri is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-09-07, 01:49 PM   #14
Butterthebean
1 bike 2 many.
 
Butterthebean's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Houston, TX
Bikes:
Posts: 295
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
I have 2 labs...and what you call cold wet weather, they call heaven.

But seriously, I've found that the good stern NO works best. So does slowing down and facing the dog. Dogs are pack animals. When they chase, they are asserting themselves. If you stop to confront them, 95% of the time they will back down unless you are standing there trembling in fear. You have to be the dominant one. Wave your arms, look as big as possible, make lots of noise (the air horn idea is great). This has always been enough for me to get a dog to go home and decide that I'm just not worth the trouble.

I'm not sure if that works on hogs. Try whipping out a hot dog bun and some relish and see if they get the hint.
Butterthebean is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-09-07, 02:04 PM   #15
evblazer
Thread Killer
 
evblazer's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Marfan Syndrome-Clyde-DFW, TX
Bikes: Fuji Touring Xtracycle, Merlin Road, Bacchetta Giro 26 (Sold), Challenge Hurricane, Cruzbike Sofrider
Posts: 1,845
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
If it isn't a hoax it is going to open up a whole new category of mischief http://www.technologyreview.com/Infotech/19142/?a=f

As see on other sites and another BF posting I believe.
evblazer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-09-07, 03:30 PM   #16
rando
Senior Member
 
rando's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Tempe, AZ
Bikes:
Posts: 2,967
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Don't spray the dog with ammonia! apple cider vinegar is better and they really hate it!
__________________
"Think of bicycles as rideable art that can just about save the world". ~Grant Petersen

Cyclists fare best when they recognize that there are times when acting vehicularly is not the best practice, and are flexible enough to do what is necessary as the situation warrants.--Me
rando is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-09-07, 04:36 PM   #17
Bikepacker67
Banned
 
Bikepacker67's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Ogopogo's shoreline
Bikes: LHT, Kona Smoke
Posts: 4,086
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
My airZound has stopped many a leashless dog, dead in his tracks.
As an added bonus, it makes the idiot owners jump too.
Bikepacker67 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-09-07, 04:47 PM   #18
Bikepacker67
Banned
 
Bikepacker67's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Ogopogo's shoreline
Bikes: LHT, Kona Smoke
Posts: 4,086
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by sggoodri View Post
If you have a few minutes, here's a satisfying Judge Judy video concerning a dog-meets cyclist collision.

http://video.stumbleupon.com/#p=a7rz92dcr3
I love that clip!
Of course, the attitudes of the dog-owners is just indicative of car culture in general.

Somehow it was the cyclists fault because he was 35 miles away from his home?
Bikepacker67 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-09-07, 05:08 PM   #19
bobbyahines
Senior Member
 
bobbyahines's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Seattle, WA
Bikes: Bridgestone RB-2, Bridgestone CB-2, Specialized Hard Rock
Posts: 76
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Heck with those ideas, I watched the video linked above, and from now on I'm carrying a Judge Judy on my bike rides. Sure, I might have to buy a decent tandem, but it'll so be worth it...
bobbyahines is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-09-07, 05:09 PM   #20
LittleBigMan
Sumanitu taka owaci
 
LittleBigMan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Bikes:
Posts: 8,945
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by SDRider View Post
That [calling animal control] doesn't really help him much when the dog is chasing him down the street though.
You are right. Fast-acting remedies work best there.

But long-acting remedies can help, too. After all, it's the owner's fault, not the dog's.

It's fine to talk about standing up to an aggressive dog, but what about standing up to an agressive dog's owner?

I repeat, enforcing animal control ordinances benefits everyone, including animals.
__________________
No worries

Last edited by LittleBigMan; 08-09-07 at 05:28 PM.
LittleBigMan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-10-07, 10:34 AM   #21
pjrocco
Death's Right Hand
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Chicago, IL
Bikes: TREK 4500 & TREK 4300
Posts: 42
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by rando View Post
Don't spray the dog with ammonia! apple cider vinegar is better and they really hate it!
Agreed!

Do not use ammonia, it can cause permanent eye damage. Would you like me to blast you in the face with ammonia for being a human? It's not the dogs fault he is being a dog... It's the owners fault for not controlling/training and locking up their animal.
pjrocco is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-10-07, 07:47 PM   #22
phinney
Senior Member
 
phinney's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: West Michigan
Bikes: Schwinn Rocket 88, Schwinn Fastback, Cannondale Road Tandem, GT Timberline rigid steel mtb
Posts: 748
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I'm also interested in knowing more about the ultrasonic devices. My wife was attacked again last week. One really deep puncture that was actually spurting blood for awhile. Her sock and shoe were soaked in blood by the time she got home. At least this owner took responsibility and is covering her medical bills and the dog is under observation for rabies.

You can often turn a dog by yelling, squirting, honking, or ruining your tire pump but it certainly doesn't always work. My wife said the first indication she had that something was going on was when she felt a snag at her heel. An instant later there was a dog clamped onto her calf.
phinney is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-10-07, 10:28 PM   #23
LittleBigMan
Sumanitu taka owaci
 
LittleBigMan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Bikes:
Posts: 8,945
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by phinney View Post
At least this owner took responsibility and is covering her medical bills and the dog is under observation for rabies.
I really hope she gets well soon...

If all dog owners are made to keep their "pets" inside, or behind a fence, as the law requires, everyone will be safer.

__________________
No worries
LittleBigMan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-11-07, 12:48 PM   #24
Recycle
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: NE IL
Bikes: Surly Long Haul Trucker, Giant Cypress DX
Posts: 664
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
A small signal horn will stop most dogs right now. 1.5 oz signal horns are available in the boating section of big box stores. This one with the push button top is easy to use even with winter gloves. ( http://www.falconsignalhorns.com/def...8&productid=91 ). A can is good for 30 or 40 blasts.
Recycle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-11-07, 01:14 PM   #25
nova
hill hater
 
nova's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: norton ohio 5.5 miles from center road tow path trail head
Bikes: cannondale t400 1987 model and a raleigh gran prix from 1973
Posts: 2,127
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleBigMan View Post
I really hope she gets well soon...

If all dog owners are made to keep their "pets" inside, or behind a fence, as the law requires, everyone will be safer.


Thats not always possible. Dogs break chains dig under or jump over feces etc.Then you have the kids who will open the front door and leave it open and the pet runs out the now open door.

Most dogs are not out for blood when they give chase. They are simply at a loss as to what the heck you are. So they give chase to investigate. In all my years of riding bikes on the road i have only had one truely mean dog come after me by the name of jackson. a dobi who's owner thought it would be cute to make him as mean as possible to well attack any thing that moved.

I confronted the owner one day and he said " if you don't like being attacked then stay the f*** of my road" My reply was a swift kick to his jaw and to his dogs throat. That dog never could bark normal again and was terrified of any thing that moved after that.

Just to give you a idea of how may times i have been "chased" by dogs. I would say with in a 5 mile radius there are a solid 100 dogs+ only about half of those are confined 24/7. I had at one point 5 dogs tailing me and stopped a few 100 feet further up. Not a single one acted in a aggressive manner. After the first one came up to me the rest did as well.

I don't know why it is so many on these and other forums have so much trouble with vicious dogs. I think allot of people see a dog running with them or after them and automatically assume its a vicious dog out for blood.
nova is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 04:06 PM.