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    Mexican Food Enthusiast Burrito Eater's Avatar
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    A&S your advice is horrible.

    I just got back from my nightly ride where I was just hit by two chicks in a crappy old Honda Civic. They are racing me from light to light, and then they buttonhook me into a lot. I go down. I pop back up and go to the driver. "Give me your insurance card". "What are you talking about?" she replies. "You just hit me, give me your insurance card". Passenger "is this a scam?". Me "my bike is worth more then your car". Them "f-off". I try to get behind the car but they peel out and drive away. So I did everything right here. I could not get the plate because it is California and the stock plate would be illegal in most states because it is so confusing.

    I remember the outrage about the guy that punched the driver. I did nothing, and now I have no results. I am so pissed I cannot even speak. What did trying to do the right thing do for me? Nothing. Lesson- nobody cares about cyclists.

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    I totally agree with your sentiments. Next time just rip their liscence plate off of the car.
    “When the spirits are low, when the day appears dark,
    When work becomes monotonous, when hope hardly seems worth having,
    Just mount a bicycle and go out for a spin down the road,
    Without thought on anything but the ride you are taking.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by pirate View Post
    I totally agree with your sentiments. Next time just rip their liscence plate off of the car.
    I was just thinking about how I was frantically trying to put their plate # into my phone, when I could of just taken a picture. I am so pissed.

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    that's what a ulock is for


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    frame pump or lock smashing windshield or rear window in. Sounds like they were hating. If that happened to me, I would smash a major part of the car in self defense. Easier to catch them if they run.

    something along the lines of one woman being silent, but get a bunch of them together and you have a rowdy crowd...
    Food for thought: if you aren't dead by 2050, you and your entire family will be within a few years from starvation. Now that is a cruel gift to leave for your offspring. ;)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burrito Eater View Post
    I was just thinking about how I was frantically trying to put their plate # into my phone, when I could of just taken a picture. I am so pissed.
    I feel ya.

    That plate number woulda nailed 'em.

    I had a transit courier hassle me at the same place/time repeatedly. I couldn't see his plate, he got away too fast. I e-mailed transit and they were on my side, but without the number, I was screwed.

    One morning, I finally got that whole number.

    After reporting it, I saw that driver once or twice more. As they drove by, they were slow and careful. Never again a problem. (And the lady who I'd been e-mailing was happy they finally got the jerk.)

    One small victory for mankind.

    (Gee, I would hate to see those girls in the Honda blubbering tears if they got caught.... )
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    No worries

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    I must be the only one trying to figure out how you couldn't avoid an accident while racing from light to light.
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    Quote Originally Posted by twahl View Post
    I must be the only one trying to figure out how you couldn't avoid an accident while racing from light to light.
    We were at a red light. The light turned green. I started going. They were lagging (I figure). They floored it. They turned right into a parking lot right after crossing the intersection. I get hit.

    I could have avoided the "accident" if I would have yelled in the open window of the car when we were stopped at the light- like I should have for buzzing me. I did not assert myself, now I am in pain.

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    How many times have people in A&S suggested practice remembering plate numbers long enough to write it down?
    How many in A&S and VC have suggested not riding to the right of motorist, especially at intersections or driveways?
    Who in A&S suggested you race motorist from light to light?
    Who in A&S suggested you should rudely demand the insurance card?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CB HI View Post
    How many times have people in A&S suggested practice remembering plate numbers long enough to write it down?
    How many in A&S and VC have suggested not riding to the right of motorist, especially at intersections or driveways?
    Who in A&S suggested you race motorist from light to light?
    Who in A&S suggested you should rudely demand the insurance card?
    I was with you until the last two. What should I have done? Pulled over so they could get way ahead? Thanked them for almost killing me? Thats f'n ridiculous, and the whole problem. Get real.

    Also have you ever seen a CA plate? Its the most random assortment of letters and numbers imaginable, with no space.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burrito Eater View Post
    Also have you ever seen a CA plate? Its the most random assortment of letters and numbers imaginable, with no space.
    CA plates are not random. They start with a single number from 1 to 5 (new plates start with 5), three letters, then three numbers. ex: 3XLB554.

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    Did you call the police to report them leaving the scene of the accident? If you had a good vehicle and occupant description they may have been able to detain them for identification even with no or a partial plate #.

    I live in California too and I find the plates fairly easy to remember. It helps if you know the pattern. Generally, Passenger cars are #XXX###, pickup trucks are #X#####, and trailers are #XX#### where # is a number and X is a letter. This applies to all newer plates with the white reflective background. The older plates (blue or black plate with yellow letters) are different but they're only on very old vehicles that have never needed to have their plates replaced.

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    What did you get? You got home without getting charged for something yourself. You also got home alive.

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    Why did you not get the plate number and call local law enforcement to report the incident before making demands of the driver? Your biggest mistake after the crash happened was talking to the other party, other than to check for injuries, before law enforcement arrived.

    If it had been me and you demanded my insurance information, I would have told you that you would just have to wait until law enforcement got there. The ruder the demand, the ruder I get with the reply.

    If you find your local plates confusing, all the more reason you need to practice remembering them.

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    What on earth were you doing parked beside a car at a light? The only place for a bike at a light is in front or behind cars ( preferably in front) certainly not beside.
    Not too much to say here

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    Quote Originally Posted by CommuterRun View Post
    Why did you not get the plate number and call local law enforcement to report the incident before making demands of the driver? Your biggest mistake after the crash happened was talking to the other party, other than to check for injuries, before law enforcement arrived.

    If it had been me and you demanded my insurance information, I would have told you that you would just have to wait until law enforcement got there. The ruder the demand, the ruder I get with the reply.

    If you find your local plates confusing, all the more reason you need to practice remembering them.
    From the time I got up off the ground and walked over to them they were on the defensive. If I would have not said anything they would have just taken off immediately. From accident to them peeling out to leave was less then 2 minutes. They had no intention of doing the right thing from the start. I don't exactly live in Mayberry either. There was a 12 year old who saw the whole thing and I asked him if he got the plate. He says "those *****es NAILED you- I saw the whole thing". I say, "did you get the plate"? "nope" And then he just takes off. Others saw it also but nobody wanted to say anything.

    Quote Originally Posted by maddyfish View Post
    What on earth were you doing parked beside a car at a light? The only place for a bike at a light is in front or behind cars ( preferably in front) certainly not beside.
    I was in front of the car at the light. I started through the intersection and they floored it to go around me and immediately turn right from passing on my left. I apologize for not being clear.

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    Oh ok, I guess try to get a lic plate numbr then in the future. At least you weren't seriously injured.
    Not too much to say here

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    When I first started driving, getting the license plate number as I approached the vehicle was hammered into me relentlessly. If the area you ride in has this happen a lot, maybe it's time to velcro a Sharpie somewhere convenient, and write it on the back of your hand as you approach the car.
    The witnesses that were there would also have been witnesses if you had responded physically to them in any way. I know it sucks, but at least you're not facing any charges as the end result of the stupidity of someone else.
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    A&S your advice is horrible.

    Quote Originally Posted by Burrito Eater View Post
    I just got back from my nightly ride where I was just hit by two chicks in a crappy old Honda Civic...

    What did trying to do the right thing do for me? Nothing. Lesson- nobody cares about cyclists.
    Our apologies. As interested individuals, we make the rules of the road and dictate how each individual out there behaves. Also, we are directly responsible for every interaction you have out there.

    Your actions were obviously directed by the interaction on this list.

    On behalf of everyone on the list, please let me apologize for the fact that there are people out there who don't give a damn about the safety of others.

    Quote Originally Posted by Burrito Eater View Post
    What did you get? You got home without getting charged for something yourself. You also got home alive.
    What was your question again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by randya
    that's what a ulock is for
    Burrito Eater, don't get a vandalism or assault charge filed against you by following that advice above...whether it was intended as a "joke" or not.

    Simply secure as much of the license plate as possible, driver & passenger descriptions, vehicle description, and promptly telephone the police. Speak loudly, slowly, and clearly so dispatch doesn't need to ask you to repeat. Request an ambulance if you received bad road rash or anything else that needs medical attention. Good luck on a speedy and full recovery from any injuries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daily Commute View Post
    What did you get? You got home without getting charged for something yourself. You also got home alive.
    Amen.

    Next time: 911

    There might have been a cop a block up the road.

    What's a " ulock " ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Wilke
    What's a " ulock " ?
    In the event described by the original poster, it would have been a poor technique because the cyclist would have subsequently been in trouble with the police.
    Some riders unfortunately advocate striking cars with u-locks (like the typical one pictured below) as a form of "street" negotiation:
    Last edited by Blue Jays; 08-12-07 at 12:33 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burrito Eater View Post
    I was with you until the last two. What should I have done? Pulled over so they could get way ahead?
    Bingo! The best defense against erratic or hostile driving is to position yourself behind the jackass. Then you can keep an eye on them, and if they U-turn or pull over to wait for you, you will be able to evade them before they have a second chance to kill you.


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    Yesterday i acted on instinct and SLAMMED my brakes on, sure enough the car beside me suddeny turned right as i slammed the brakes on. Had i not braked they would have broadsided me, instead my emergency braking put me JUST behind the rear bumper. Clueless driver was on her cell phone jibberjabbing away ...idiots
    You ride a bike, we GET IT, no need to rant about it or look down on others....its JUST A BIKE...get over yourselves.

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    Your first mistake was confusing opinions with advice. Your second mistake was getting yourself into the situation.
    This is Africa, 1943. War spits out its violence overhead and the sandy graveyard swallows it up. Her name is King Nine, B-25, medium bomber, Twelfth Air Force. On a hot, still morning she took off from Tunisia to bomb the southern tip of Italy. An errant piece of flak tore a hole in a wing tank and, like a wounded bird, this is where she landed, not to return on this day, or any other day.

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