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    Saw a crash in Toronto Yesterday :(

    Or the aftermath anyway. I heard something, and saw a guy roll off his bike. He and a bus (!) were at a stop sign, and it appears that the bus was turning right (or veering right to make a left turn?) and he was trapped between the bus and the curb and bailed. He rolled onto some grass, and did not hit his head as far as I could tell. He then walked around, dazed, as the bus driver got out and called emergency services. I went over, but no one was interested in my input, and the fellows injuries seemed fairly minor, if any (the bike might be a different story though ), so I left (not sure if that was the right thing to do, but again, I was ignored by all, and there were a few people on the bus who witnessed more than I did).

    I did not see the crash, but three scenarios suggested themselves to me

    1. Cyclist pulls up to stop sign, stops, and gets nailed by bus before he enters the intersection.

    2. Cyclist passes bus on right as bus signals left, and gets nailed as bus takes a wide left turn.

    3. Cyclist passes bus on right as bus signals right, and gets nailed as bus takes right turn and clips the corner.

    Given what I've seen in Toronto scenario 1 seems unlikely, but is probably the only scenario that the cyclist would have had little or no control over.

    Scenario two is something that I might have done in my youth, but would avoid now (I try and avoid buses as much as possible). If the bus driver was even looking for bikes to the right while trying to execute a left turn, the cyclist would have been in the bus' blind spot until he was at the danger point (his bike was between the front wheel of the bus and the curb).

    Scenario three I would not have done, even in my youth, unless the bus was not signalling a turn (however this was a t-junction so it was clear that the bus was going to turn somewhere).

    If you're reading this man, I hope you (and your wheels are okay).

    For the rest of us - watch out for those buses - it's scary out there.

    Unless scenario 1 was what actually happened, the cyclist was in the bus' blind spot pretty much until he was hit, so if we are going to have buses and trucks in our cities, we either have to outlaw blind spots, forbid such vehicles from turning or changing lanes, or not cycle in the blind spots.

    Did I miss anything?

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    Um...not getting THAT close to the front corner of a turning bus.ever.period. Be either in front or wait your turn. One might squeak by a car but buses,, ah, no. if he was at a stop sign, he should have been stopped, doesn't sound like he was or he'd not have had the momentum to crash and roll. If he was trying to blow the sign with a turning bus right there, well Darwin's are handed out everyday.

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    If you have a businesscard, hand it to the responding police officer and tell him/her that you may have seen parts of the accident, but certainly not all of it. They can decide whether they need to speak with you and you can easily be one your way.

    Hope the cyclist is OK and recovers quickly and completely. Sounds like a close one...

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