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Old 09-01-07, 09:36 AM   #1
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Critical Mass "melee" in Minneapolis

http://www.startribune.com/crime/story/1396202.html

Discuss. Or move. maybe both?
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Old 09-01-07, 09:57 AM   #2
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Sounds like two rogue a-holes ruined the ride for everyone else. Provoking police during any protest or activist activity is irresponsible and causes whoever you're trying to influence to no longer take you seriously. It's the difference between people thinking "I wonder what that's all about" and "Look at those ****ing punks causing trouble".
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It is Mpls--- the scofflaws are living down their inferiority complex that they aren't riding in SF or NYC.
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Old 09-01-07, 10:11 AM   #4
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unfortunately the article is unclear on the reasons to what actually started it, so it is hard to base an informed opinion on what actually happened. it would be unfair to make any real assumptions at this point with out doing more research
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It's the difference between people thinking "I wonder what that's all about" and "Look at those ****ing punks causing trouble".
Yeah but the difference between a regular critical mass and a bad one is only a matter of degree.
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agreed.
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I'm actually terribly impressed by that police department. In the article they recognize the fact that the people causing the problems probably were not affiliated with Critical Mass. They understand that the antagonistic riders came there deliberately to cause trouble, and they actually publicly agree with the purpose of Critical Mass. damn.
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Yeah but the difference between a regular critical mass and a bad one is only a matter of degree.
Very true. That's why massers need to be even more respectful and responsible during a ride.
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It is Mpls--- the scofflaws are living down their inferiority complex that they aren't riding in SF or NYC.
Ha!
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I'm actually terribly impressed by that police department. In the article they recognize the fact that the people causing the problems probably were not affiliated with Critical Mass. They understand that the antagonistic riders came there deliberately to cause trouble, and they actually publicly agree with the purpose of Critical Mass. damn.
Read some other reports of the attack and you won't be so impressed. Try IndyMedia Twin Cities.
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I'm actually terribly impressed by that police department. In the article they recognize the fact that the people causing the problems probably were not affiliated with Critical Mass. They understand that the antagonistic riders came there deliberately to cause trouble, and they actually publicly agree with the purpose of Critical Mass. damn.
+1

That caught me by surprise
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Im not sure what there is to discuss.
Dumbasses caused trouble, they went to jail.
It happens every hour of the day.
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Read some other reports of the attack and you won't be so impressed. Try IndyMedia Twin Cities.
Indy media's account(when parsed for truth) seems to be pretty much the same. Cops arrested some people, called more cops, a few people were maced and tasered and a few others arrested. They don't mention any cops being surrounded but of course they never do.
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Read some other reports of the attack and you won't be so impressed. Try IndyMedia Twin Cities.
It is worth noting that the source mentioned here isn't really straight journalism per se. It is a heavily biased report by a "writer" that doesn't even use very good grammar. Hardly a news source I'd put much stake in.
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"We've never had a problem with Critical Mass, the rally," she said. "We agree with them that we need to lessen our dependence on the automobile. Apparently, they had some infiltrators or outsiders who joined the rally tonight. And these outsiders were trying to provoke the officers."
Wow. That's pretty much awesome.
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Some more news sources:
http://wcco.com/topstories/local_story_243224625.html
http://www.wctrib.com/ap/index.cfm?p...w&id=D8RCOA7O0
http://www.twincities.com/ci_6774745...e=most_emailed
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Old 09-01-07, 11:52 AM   #17
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Indymedia has very one sided leftist views and their writers are anti police. Not exactly a credible news source. (neither is the telly...for the record...)
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well my first observation about the op's article was that the writer only sources the police. not exactly balanced. probably what the reporter did was call the desk seargent, take a statement and base the article off that alone. hm.

keeping that in mind, please realize that no police officer is going to admit that they acted unprovoked if that were the case. so... the situation may be that there were a couple of 'unaffiliated a-holes' stirring up trouble, or it may be that some cop decided he was going to 'shake down an anti-rnc hippie.' we, frankly, don't know because only one side of the story is presented and the police would certainly not admit any malfeasance if it had occurred.

just sayin'.
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to anybody who might think that anybody else "provoked" or "asked for it"... use of these weapons in a crowd control situation is abhorrent. tazers, particularly against nonthreatening people, are akin to torture devices. pepper spray causes panic, not control. the amount of pain from both is excruciating - this is me speaking from experience seeing and treating people who have been tazed (including follow up research) and having been peppersprayed more than once. some of those times, it's been topped off with a healthy dose of batons to the ribs and back.

i've seen cops get out of control. i've seen cops deliberately do things to cause a crowd situation to lose control.

they should be held accountable for this behavior, not people who find or place themselves - for whatever reason - in the way of it. people weild weapons against other people and it is legitimized by a badge that they wear.

that doesn't cut it for me.
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nah man..theyre HEROES! Cops are our heroes!
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It is Mpls--- the scofflaws are living down their inferiority complex that they aren't riding in SF or NYC.
And I quote from your blog:

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Thanks. I'd almost argue that it is nicer to bike in Saint Paul than Minneapolis. We also live in Mpls, and the Greenway and trails are amazing.

5/28/2005 3:04 AM



You lived in Minneapolis? Wow - I guess you dealt with your inferiority complex by moving to Norway.

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to anybody who might think that anybody else "provoked" or "asked for it"... use of these weapons in a crowd control situation is abhorrent. tazers, particularly against nonthreatening people, are akin to torture devices. pepper spray causes panic, not control. the amount of pain from both is excruciating - this is me speaking from experience seeing and treating people who have been tazed (including follow up research) and having been peppersprayed more than once. some of those times, it's been topped off with a healthy dose of batons to the ribs and back.

i've seen cops get out of control. i've seen cops deliberately do things to cause a crowd situation to lose control.

they should be held accountable for this behavior, not people who find or place themselves - for whatever reason - in the way of it. people weild weapons against other people and it is legitimized by a badge that they wear.

that doesn't cut it for me.
lets not forget the U lock wielding, car hitting CM'ers who go out of their way to disobey traffic laws, signs, and plug up intersections soother riders can go thru on red lights. Then when they get called on it by the police, they react and do stupid things. You need to remember that the Police will react (as they are trained to do) with one force level Higher than what they are facing. Tazers and Pepper spray are perfectly acceptable in dealing with the punks actions at CM.
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"Somebody was driving straight at cars," said Deputy Chief Allen.
How and why would you ride straight at cars? This sounds like bull**** to me
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well, i found another article from the minneapolis 'city pages' (which claims to be a 'sister paper' of the village voice). this reporter actually went and interviewed not only the cyclists but residents in the neighbourhood where the incident took place. actual reporting!

http://blogs.citypages.com/blotter/2...police_adm.php

according to this article, local residents and cm cyclists are saying an unmarked police car deliberately crashed into some cyclists and then started "beating people indiscriminately" and it was "a 100 percent set-up". hm.
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Thuggish behavior at a CM ride. Whodathunkit?
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