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Old 09-12-07, 07:20 AM   #1
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Jay Leno jokes about hitting cyclists

Jay is a nationally known automobile enthusiast. He has an ungodly amount of vehicles that fall into the categories of super fast and/or super rare. It dissapoints me that someone of his visibility and involvement with motor vehicles does not know the rules of the road!

Last night Dennis Leary was the guest. They started by making fun of cycling clothes which is fine... I've never won a "function over fashion" argument for athletic apparel in any sport with someone who does not enjoy/train/commute for the same activity. No one gets injured when ripping on material goods.

It was the "One of them was in my lane!" and "So I just ran him over" jokes I didn't agree with. I've unsuccessfully searched this morning for the text of this episode and will continue to search later in the day when I have another break.

Reminds me of people at work who joke about running me over if they see me commuting in the bright green shirt. "Don't die out there! hahah" ...followed by my sigh and cringe or, depending on my mood, "I'll make sure you go to jail, hahah". I don't think people like my coworkers or Jay Leno have bad intentions, but they are encouraging the mentality that hurts people.
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Old 09-12-07, 07:43 AM   #2
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There's a very effective way to stop a motorists who's trying to run people over. Sugar in the gas tank.
Of course, Jay Leno has a big multi car garage, so his cars are off-limits.
You put some sugar on a piece of writing paper and roll it up, fold the ends over, so it's the size of a cigar. Tear the end open and pour it right in the gas tank of the offending... "tank".
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Old 09-12-07, 08:05 AM   #3
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There's a very effective way to stop a motorists who's trying to run people over. Sugar in the gas tank.
Of course, Jay Leno has a big multi car garage, so his cars are off-limits.
You put some sugar on a piece of writing paper and roll it up, fold the ends over, so it's the size of a cigar. Tear the end open and pour it right in the gas tank of the offending... "tank".
Guess you never tried that your self? That myth is bogus as a $3 bill. They tested it on myth busters with massive amounts. I suppose if your do it enough times like every time they add gas it might manage to clog fuel injectors after a few 5 pound bags.

As for jay leno well hes always been a bit of a dip.
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Guess you never tried that your self? That myth is bogus as a $3 bill. They tested it on myth busters with massive amounts. I suppose if your do it enough times like every time they add gas it might manage to clog fuel injectors after a few 5 pound bags.

As for jay leno well hes always been a bit of a dip.
I disagree. It worked in the movie King Pin.
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I also was disturbed by Jay Leno joking about attempted murder of a bicyclist riding legally in the lane of traffic ahead of him. reprehensible.
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There's a very effective way to stop a motorists who's trying to run people over. Sugar in the gas tank.
Of course, Jay Leno has a big multi car garage, so his cars are off-limits.
You put some sugar on a piece of writing paper and roll it up, fold the ends over, so it's the size of a cigar. Tear the end open and pour it right in the gas tank of the offending... "tank".

suger does nothing when placed in the fuel. Honey in the oil does wonders to quiet a noisy engine though.

A few years ago I had a truck that used a quart a week, I bought oil by the case and kept it in the back of my truck, when I used a quart I'd put the empty back in the case upside down, simply because it kept the truck neater. A new guy started working with us, and his car used oil real bad, when he pulled in you could smell the oil. Shortly after he started working there I noticed that I was missing oil, so after making sure where it was going I used a feeler gauge to open a couple quarts of oil without breaking the lockring on them, then filled them with honey and put them back in the box with some empties and put the real oil under my seat, a couple days later they were gone. On the way home that night he was on the side of 131 with his hood open. he missed the next day, when he finally showed up he was in a different car, and at lunch was talking about how his car had frozen up, He wasn't sure why because he had put oil in it before he got on the freeway. For some reason he got real upset when I told him the oil cans in the back of my truck were full of honey instead of oil. He didn't work there long after that, we had serious rules against theft.

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Meh. Comedians say lots of stuff that is sure to upset one group of people or another at some time. I doubt his comments encouraged anyone to actually run over a cyclist.
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I didn't see the show, but the comments you quoted from Jay and his guest turn my stomach. I wonder if some feedback would do anything?

http://www.nbc.com/The_Tonight_Show_...shtml#feedback
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sometimes when i get mad at someone, i say "i'm so gonna kill that guy". but i don't really mean it.

seriously though, people will be making fun of cyclists for as long as we live. you might as well stop getting offended everytime, because you're gonna end up one angry mo-fo later in life.

write the show a letter indicating your disproval if it really bothers you.
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Leary = his "a s s h o l e" act got old years ago

Leno = on his way out

I think George Lopez got it right: "It tells you something about Jay Leno if Conan O'Brien is coming into The Tonight Show when Jay Leno is still young enough to be the host."

Tonight show's e-mail: tonightshowfeedback@nbcuni.com

Tonight show's message board: http://boards.nbc.com/nbc/index.php?showforum=8
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Old 09-12-07, 11:54 AM   #12
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Meh. Comedians say lots of stuff that is sure to upset one group of people or another at some time. I doubt his comments encouraged anyone to actually run over a cyclist.
Yeah, true. I suppose cyclists are no different than celebrities, just another group for criticism... but a little healthier I hope

Think I'll still drop them a line at NBC so they know I'm here and noticed, but it won't be as emotionally charged as I was earlier.
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Didn't Dennis Leary do that cyclist schtick way back on the 'Lock 'n' Load' album? Time for some new material, dude.

As for Jay Leno - I reckon he gets his material from the Bumper Book of Jokes for Boys. Serves you right for even tuning in. I'd say don't take him seriously, but that might encourage you to take him humourously, and that's not an appropriate response either.
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Meh. Comedians say lots of stuff that is sure to upset one group of people or another at some time. I doubt his comments encouraged anyone to actually run over a cyclist.
Jay Leno's a comedian? Now that's funny.
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Didn't Dennis Leary do that cyclist schtick way back on the 'Lock 'n' Load' album? Time for some new material, dude.

As for Jay Leno - I reckon he gets his material from the Bumper Book of Jokes for Boys. Serves you right for even tuning in. I'd say don't take him seriously, but that might encourage you to take him humourously, and that's not an appropriate response either.
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Strangely enough, I often see Leno driving to work while riding my bike to work. Fortunately, we're going opposite directions. He's pretty easy to spot since there's not many people driving to work in a 56 Buick that looks like it just rolled off the showroom floor among the many other cars I've seem him driving.
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What kind of mentality thinks first of sabotaging a car, even if he doesn't understand how to do it? A case of arrested development, or a psychopath? Scheesh!
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He's a commedian, not a funny one, but a commedian. They offend everyone. Get in line.

If Leno has that mentality he's just another JAM. That simple.
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Jay Leno is a chowderhead.
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I record The Tonight Show on my DVR every night, though don't always watch it. When I saw this thread the other day, I made sure I saved the show from the previous night (I have it set to normally keep only one Tonight Show). I finally watched it yesterday.

I think it's appropriate to note the context. Leary was talking about cyclists on Mulholland Drive with tight fitting clothes and making fun of that, which reminded Leno of an incident from the previous day, which he quickly recounted. He said the guy was in the road in front of him (on Muholland Drive), and Jay "just lightly tooted his horn", and the cyclist "of course" immediately flipped him off. I think the critical thing is that
  1. It is not illegal or impolite for a driver to honk (or flash lights) to inform a slower driver in front of him that he would like to pass.
  2. It is not illegal, but it IS arguably rude, to respond to this by flipping him off.
Now, we weren't there, but if it's true that Jay wasn't angry and laying down on the horn, but he did actually just lightly toot his horn, I can see why it would piss him off to get flipped off for doing that.

It is in that context that he made his joke about running over a cyclist who pisses him off like that. It was clear to me that he didn't mean it, and that it was unlikely for anyone else to interpret that as a justification for running over cyclists.

Look. We do look ridiculous in our Spandex, but it's important to be comfortable and visible, so I wear it. If they want to joke about it, whatever. I joke about what golfers wear. So what?

But the most important thing here is I think that most drivers are like Jay. That is, they're okay with us out there, as long as we're being reasonable and predictable. That wasn't Jay's words, but that was certainly the impression I got from what he was saying (and Leary too, by the way). And flipping someone off for honking at you is not reasonable.

The best thing to do when someone behind you honks is to acknowledge them, by turning around and smiling, waving or even blowing a kiss, not by flipping them off. And, as soon as it's safe and reasonable to do so, move aside. If you do that, they are less likely to joke about running you over on The Tonight Show.
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Strangely enough, I often see Leno driving to work while riding my bike to work. Fortunately, we're going opposite directions. He's pretty easy to spot since there's not many people driving to work in a 56 Buick that looks like it just rolled off the showroom floor among the many other cars I've seem him driving.
On Mulholland?
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It is not illegal or impolite for a driver to honk (or flash lights) to inform a slower driver in front of him that he would like to pass.
I disagree with your interpretation that Jay was honking at the cyclist because "he would like to pass." He's honking because he doesn't want to pass; he wants the cyclist to get out of his way, and he thinks that by honking he can magically make the cyclist disappear.

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But the most important thing here is I think that most drivers are like Jay. That is, they're okay with us out there, as long as we're being reasonable and predictable. That wasn't Jay's words, but that was certainly the impression I got from what he was saying (and Leary too, by the way). And flipping someone off for honking at you is not reasonable.
Again I disagree, accept with your contention that most drivers are like Jay. They don't want us to be "reasonable and predictable," they want us out of their way. They don't care how we ride, as long as we don't get in their way. There are an awful lot of drivers who get agitated at the sight of a cyclist on the roadway, and who get offended at the notion of having to change lanes to go around one, let alone wait for a few seconds.
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actually, flashing your brights to pass is illegal in most state traffic codes.
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I disagree with your interpretation that Jay was honking at the cyclist because "he would like to pass." He's honking because he doesn't want to pass; he wants the cyclist to get out of his way, and he thinks that by honking he can magically make the cyclist disappear.



Again I disagree, accept with your contention that most drivers are like Jay. They don't want us to be "reasonable and predictable," they want us out of their way. They don't care how we ride, as long as we don't get in their way. There are an awful lot of drivers who get agitated at the sight of a cyclist on the roadway, and who get offended at the notion of having to change lanes to go around one, let alone wait for a few seconds.
Mulholland is a famous curvy two lane road. Whether drivers are offended about having to change lanes to pass is irrelevant here. On two lane roads, drivers of all slow moving vehicles are required to operate as far right as practicable, to facilitate the passing by faster traffic. Of course, when faster traffic is not present, that does not apply. The typical cyclist does not use a mirror, and may not know that faster traffic has approached from behind, and that he is now obligated to move right. There is nothing wrong with a friendly toot of the horn to remind him.
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