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Old 09-20-07, 01:29 AM   #1
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Don't ride on the line.

Many roadies think that it is better to ride on the line instead of staying within the bike lane. They think that riding on the line will make them more noticeable and important to a car.

This afternoon I saw some teenage girls (I think) in a Honda Accord almost hit a roadie riding on the line. The Accord's passenger side mirror brushed the roadies elbow hard as it passed. Though it wasn't hard enough to make the roadie fall off his bike it did make him go off balance and sway 10ft out and into the middle lane! Luckily it happened during a time of light traffic, otherwise that guy would have been f'd.

Don't ride on the line! Stay inside of the bike lane and as far right and away from the cars as you can. Use a bike path whenever you can and get on the sidewalk when there isn't a bike lane. Those who think that they share equal rights on the road as a car and think, that cars need to notice them are fitting to die.

There have been times while driving that I have been absent minded or talking on a cell phone or adjusting volume controls on the stereo that when I looked up I found myself driving partially in the next lane and sometimes, the bike lane.

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Old 09-20-07, 01:50 AM   #2
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Riding on the line isn't a very smart idea; either ride the middle of the bike lane and stay very alert, or take the lane and stay very alert. Riding the line just seems like an invitation for motorists to screw with you.
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Riding on the line isn't a very smart idea; either ride the middle of the bike lane and stay very alert, or take the lane and stay very alert. Riding the line just seems like an invitation for motorists to screw with you.
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Don't ride on the line! Stay inside of the bike lane and as far right and away from the cars as you can.
Where I ride, that puts me either within the door zone of parked cars, or in the gutter, or in the potholes. I don't ride the line, but I do ride near it.

Your last paragraph really scares me. If you can't adjust the stereo or talk on the phone and stay alert and in your lane, you need to seriously reevaluate your driving habits.
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A load of drivel.
Did you at least try to get the license plate of the car, or were you too busy adjusting the radio?
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There have been times while driving that I have been absent minded or talking on a cell phone or adjusting volume controls on the stereo that when I looked up I found myself driving partially in the next lane and sometimes, the bike lane.
So if you're driving in the bike lane sometimes, why the hell would I want to ride there?
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Riding on the line isn't a very smart idea; either ride the middle of the bike lane and stay very alert, or take the lane and stay very alert. Riding the line just seems like an invitation for motorists to screw with you.
+1. Sometimes compromise makes little sense. The problem is that some bike lanes are too narrow, and the lane stripe just happens to be where I would ride if there were no stripe. Ironically, those lanes push me farther out into the road.
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Those who think that they share equal rights on the road as a car and think, that cars need to notice them are fitting to die.

There have been times while driving that I have been absent minded or talking on a cell phone or adjusting volume controls on the stereo that when I looked up I found myself driving partially in the next lane and sometimes, the bike lane.

yes, cyclists have the same rights to be on a road, in the appropriate lane of course, as a car. they DO HAVE equal rights in most places, it's just that their rights are not respected much.

and if you have been fiddling with things in your car and then looked up and found yourself in the wrong lane, STOP DRIVING please. you're a menace, and ultimately you'll be the cause of some roadie's death, and then won't you feel like a turd.

fiddling with the radio does not make you any less culpable of vehicular homicide. and why do you talk on the phone and drive at the same time? you should know that's terribly unsafe. your arrogance and flouting of the road rules will almost certainly harm others more than you, yet you just don't care. and you're proud to admit it! Huh, most responsible people in the same situation would go and off themselves.
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There have been times while driving that I have been absent minded or talking on a cell phone or adjusting volume controls on the stereo that when I looked up I found myself driving partially in the next lane and sometimes, the bike lane.
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Sometimes when I'm walking on the sidewalk, I take out a gun and randomly fire it. So when you see pedestrians, it's best to stay away from them. Otherwise, you're fitting to get shot.
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Yamcha does make one useful point -

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There have been times while driving that I have been absent minded or talking on a cell phone or adjusting volume controls on the stereo that when I looked up I found myself driving partially in the next lane and sometimes, the bike lane.
The clear message from this is that wherever you are you are not safe from incompetent drivers.

How about we stick to the real reason not to ride on the line. Paint on the road is lower friction than tarmac (tarmac is after all extensively tested for braking properties, durability etc) and can become hazardous in rain by making it much easier to skid under breaking.

My rule is - Don't ride on the line if breaking or it's wet. If it's dry and I'm pushing hard or accelerating then I'll ride on it if it's safe to do so (clearly it isn't in heavy traffic). I'm pretty sure that scaremongering doesn't help though...
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In Australia the bike lanes are provided for cyclists to ride in.......but they can legally ride outside of it, to their own peril, of course. I used to ride close to the line, but after being run over by a car I try to ride in the middle of the bike lane. One major reason roadies stay near the line is that broken glass, tree debri, nails, wire etc etc gathers in the bike lane and with expensive tyres we try to avoid constant punctures. Maybe if local authorities did their job properly and swept these lanes on a weekly basis then cyclists would be happy to ride away from the line.
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There have been times while driving that I have been absent minded or talking on a cell phone or adjusting volume controls on the stereo that when I looked up I found myself driving partially in the next lane and sometimes, the bike lane.
Dude, you're not the first bad driver to try to tell me to ride my bike on the sidewalk.

The first on BF, maybe.
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Where I live there is no bike lane and I suspect that the majority of places in the US do not have them. Why don't you take your head out of your nether regions when you drive.
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"..get on the sidewalk when there isn't a bike lane" typical motorist POV. are you a bicyclist, yamcha?
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Many roadies think that it is better to ride on the line instead of staying within the bike lane. They think that riding on the line will make them more noticeable and important to a car.

This afternoon I saw some teenage girls (I think) in a Honda Accord almost hit a roadie riding on the line. The Accord's passenger side mirror brushed the roadies elbow hard as it passed. Though it wasn't hard enough to make the roadie fall off his bike it did make him go off balance and sway 10ft out and into the middle lane! Luckily it happened during a time of light traffic, otherwise that guy would have been f'd.

Don't ride on the line! Stay inside of the bike lane and as far right and away from the cars as you can. Use a bike path whenever you can and get on the sidewalk when there isn't a bike lane. Those who think that they share equal rights on the road as a car and think, that cars need to notice them are fitting to die.

There have been times while driving that I have been absent minded or talking on a cell phone or adjusting volume controls on the stereo that when I looked up I found myself driving partially in the next lane and sometimes, the bike lane.


That rather depends on the bike lane. Some of them are so narrow that riding within the lane means running over broken glass, sewer grates and other road hazards with little chance of evasion Others are so placed that a rider is constantly riding in the door zones of parked cars which is clearly a bad place to be. Regardless of where the line is, I take whatever space I feel is necessary to ensure my own safety. I have logged literally thousands of miles on my bikes and have only ever been clipped once (and that was in a province where bikes are comparatively uncommon and it was at a very slow speed). Bike paths are also few and far between to some key destinations and speed is restricted by the presence of lollygagging pedestrians and gargantuan baby strollers.
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If it's a choice between riding near the left line or riding squarely in the door zone, I'll choose the former almost every time.
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Agreed that riding on striping is an ambigous postion. BL stripes do remove rideable space, often the prime location, in what otherwise could be a nice wide lane.

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There have been times while driving that I have been absent minded or talking on a cell phone or adjusting volume controls on the stereo that when I looked up I found myself driving partially in the next lane and sometimes, the bike lane.
You need to pay more attention to the road.

You are also a troll.
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Many roadies think that it is better to ride on the line instead of staying within the bike lane. They think that riding on the line will make them more noticeable and important to a car.

This afternoon I saw some teenage girls (I think) in a Honda Accord almost hit a roadie riding on the line. The Accord's passenger side mirror brushed the roadies elbow hard as it passed. Though it wasn't hard enough to make the roadie fall off his bike it did make him go off balance and sway 10ft out and into the middle lane! Luckily it happened during a time of light traffic, otherwise that guy would have been f'd.

Don't ride on the line! Stay inside of the bike lane and as far right and away from the cars as you can. Use a bike path whenever you can and get on the sidewalk when there isn't a bike lane. Those who think that they share equal rights on the road as a car and think, that cars need to notice them are fitting to die.

There have been times while driving that I have been absent minded or talking on a cell phone or adjusting volume controls on the stereo that when I looked up I found myself driving partially in the next lane and sometimes, the bike lane.

This is a forum for bicyclists. Do you bicycle?

And you suck at driving too. STFU.

Why didn't you call in that Honda Accord for a hit and run accident? It sounds almost like you sympathize with dangerous drivers. Please, do all the cyclists in the world a favor and put a sign on your car saying "I'm a dangerous driver who sometimes doesn't pay attention to the road and might hit you." That way, we can all be warned and stay the hell away from you.
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There have been times while driving that I have been absent minded or talking on a cell phone or adjusting volume controls on the stereo that when I looked up I found myself driving partially in the next lane and sometimes, the bike lane.
The clear message from this is that wherever you are you are not safe from incompetent drivers.
No. The clear message is that wherever you go there are are incompetent drivers out there, so: ride accordingly.

In particular, the above quote from Yamcha is merely a confession of a typical driver who has noticed himself drifting inadvertently from time to time. Note that order things happen:
  1. "I have been absent minded or talking on a cell phone or adjusting volume controls on the stereo"
  2. [driver looks away from the road]
  3. [driver drifts]
  4. "I looked up I found myself driving partially in the next lane and sometimes, the bike lane."
(2) and (3) are implied (by the words of (4)) and in an inadvertent drift they always follows (1), so what I try to do is ride in a manner that reduces the possibility of (1). How? By riding in a manner that grabs the attention of drivers as early as possible so that they become focused on me rather than on their wandering thoughts, the radio or their phone conversation, causing them to delay (2) until they pass me.
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Many roadies think that it is better to ride on the line instead of staying within the bike lane. They think that riding on the line will make them more noticeable and important to a car.
If the bike lane is next to parked cars, riding on the line is far preferable to riding in the centre of the lane. If you get buzzed while doing this, move into the regular traffic lane - that means the bike lane isn't fit to ride in.

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Stay inside of the bike lane and as far right and away from the cars as you can.
Yeah, and set yourself up for a nice door prize

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Dude, which one of the two are you: a troll or an idiot?
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