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    Doing everything wrong...

    SAN DIEGO A man riding a bicycle without a light died Wednesday night after he was struck by a car at the intersection of Black Mountain and Kearny Villa Road roads in Mira Mesa, San Diego police said.

    Witnesses told officers the cyclist, who appeared to be in his 30s, ran a red light in front of oncoming traffic about 10:15 p.m., San Diego police Sgt. Jeff Fellows said.

    A 52-year-old driver in a 1991 Mercedes entered the intersection on a green light and the two collided, Fellows said.

    There were conflicting reports on which direction they were traveling.

    An officer began CPR on the man before he was taken to a hospital, where he died about half an hour later.

    No one in the Mercedes was hurt. Fellows said the driver and family members were returning to their home in San Diego after an event.

    The bicyclist's identity has not yet been released because his family has yet to be informed of his death, an investigator with the Medical Examiner's office said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genec View Post
    SAN DIEGO A man riding a bicycle without a light died Wednesday night after he was struck by a car at the intersection of Black Mountain and Kearny Villa Road roads in Mira Mesa, San Diego police said.

    Witnesses told officers the cyclist, who appeared to be in his 30s, ran a red light in front of oncoming traffic about 10:15 p.m., San Diego police Sgt. Jeff Fellows said.

    A 52-year-old driver in a 1991 Mercedes entered the intersection on a green light and the two collided, Fellows said.

    There were conflicting reports on which direction they were traveling.

    An officer began CPR on the man before he was taken to a hospital, where he died about half an hour later.

    No one in the Mercedes was hurt. Fellows said the driver and family members were returning to their home in San Diego after an event.

    The bicyclist's identity has not yet been released because his family has yet to be informed of his death, an investigator with the Medical Examiner's office said.
    Your point?

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    Quote Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
    Your point?
    Don't do the wrong things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genec View Post
    Don't do the wrong things.
    Correct...

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    Quote Originally Posted by genec View Post
    Don't do the wrong things.
    Who wudda thunk it? Know any activity where this observation would not apply?

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    Quote Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
    Who wudda thunk it? Know any activity where this observation would not apply?
    No, yet some fools do indeed do everything possible to become "Darwin" winners.

    I just posted such an example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genec View Post
    No, yet some fools do indeed do everything possible to become "Darwin" winners.

    I just posted such an example.
    I approve of your message.

    Just this morning I saw a young teen almost Darwinize himself. He crossed a busy intersection diagonally on a wobbly Wal-Mart MTB and if it hadn't been for the quick braking reflexes of a minivan driver, he would've kissed the windshield. He was about a foot away from the minivan when it stopped.

    He wasnt wearing a helmet either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genec View Post
    No, yet some fools do indeed do everything possible to become "Darwin" winners.

    I just posted such an example.
    For whose enlightenment? BF Readers? The so-called Darwin candidates? I doubt that anybody, anywhere will be affected in any positive way by the posting of such "examples." But if it makes you and any other Safety Nannys feel superior, have a ball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
    For whose enlightenment? BF Readers? The so-called Darwin candidates? I doubt that anybody, anywhere will be affected in any positive way by the posting of such "examples." But if it makes you and any other Safety Nannys feel superior, have a ball.
    Why thank you for your permission. I didn't realize that you had taken on the role of NetNanny.

    Well, I suppose we Nannys just have to stick together. So thanks again for your endorsement.

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    Point, as I interpret it is that it doesn't take climbing into a cage to make you stupid, some people are already equipped.

    as to whether it was actually stupid is unknown, did he not see the car, or did he just not look? Not seeing the car is feasable, I know of many intersections that you can't see oncoming cars day or night.

    I am not a frequent reader of A&S, but what I have read shows a decided leaning towards the cagers are the only reason for accidents mentality, leading many to act as though they don't have to use the same rules or cautions.

    Fact is, If you are moving without paying attention to where you're going, you can and will get hurt, or hurt someone/thing whether you are crawling,walking, biking, or driving.

    I have been behind a bicyclist who swerved out to miss something on the road without looking back first almost get hurt and then rail at me about being a witness because the car coming up behind them almost hit them. is that the car's fault? No, it's the bike's fault. number one, he should have looked behind him before swerving out, and he should (my opinion) have been looking ahead far enough that something in the road didn't take him by surprise.

    I think the original post is a good example for keeping your eyes open and pay attention, if you do you won't be taken by surprise when a light changes, or when a big pile of who knows what appears in the lane in front of you.

    Ken.

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    I have a suggestion for my fellow bike industry folk--be a hardass about selling lighting and, yes, about telling your customers the right and wrong ways to use it. Cyclists need a steady, white light on the front of the bike--NOT a red or white or amber blinker ferchrissake! Lights ARE NOT heavy. Lights ARE NOT expensive--the most exorbitant lighting system is much cheaper than an ER tab. The heaviest lighting weighs less than a coffin. Bike store owners and salespeople, be willing to tell customers right from wrong on this matter. It's time to outgrow your fear of offending stupid people in the interest of accurate information!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feldman View Post
    I have a suggestion for my fellow bike industry folk--be a hardass about selling lighting and, yes, about telling your customers the right and wrong ways to use it. ...
    Set a good example, as well. Feldman and I worked at competing bike shops in Los Angeles in the early 1970s, and I frequently rode home in the dark, after a long day at the shop or at UCLA. One bike shop customer commented that he often saw a bicyclist who was "lit up like a Christmas tree" and who probably showed up better at night than in broad daylight, and we rapidly figured out it was I. Back in those days, I had a generator driving front and rear lights, two big rear reflectors, French strap-on lights (remember those, old timers?) on the arms and legs, a white T-shirt or sweater, and all the red-and-whilte Scotch reflective tape I could stick on my rear rack, stays, cranks, and pedals. Battery and lighting technology have improved markedly in the ensuing 35 years, so there is really no excuse for being "The Invisible Man" after dark.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John E View Post
    French strap-on lights (remember those, old timers?)
    "Leg lights!!" Yeah!! I think I still have one somewhere...

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