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    Cyclist shoot motorist

    http://www.startribune.com/484/story/1439644.html

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    Milwaukee bicyclist shoots motorist after near-collision, police say

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    Last update: September 22, 2007 1:16 PM

    MILWAUKEE A bicyclist shot a motorist after the man's car nearly hit the bike on Friday night, police said.

    The 28-year-old driver of the car stopped to check on the bicyclist, who had fallen to the pavement around 10:45 p.m., police said.

    The bicyclist got up, fired three shots and hit the driver once in the shoulder, police said.

    The motorist drove to the house of a friend, who then took him to a hospital. He was treated and released.

    Police said they were looking for the bicyclist on Saturday. No other details were released.

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    I guess car drivers should watch their backs.
    Not too much to say here

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    WOW...what a weight penalty lugging a *** on your ride.

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    "The bicyclist got up, fired three shots and hit the driver once in the shoulder, police said."


    Someone needs target practice.

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    I bet that cyclist thought he was doing a great favor to the cycling community.

    Sounds to me like a disturbed CM'er. True, the motorist may have been at fault, but at least he was kind enough to stop and see that the cyclist was all right. No reason for gunplay, let alone violence.

    And we thought wrong-way cyclists gave us a bad name...

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    A guy on a bicycle shot a guy in a car. I detect no agenda from this news story.

    A young gangbanger might be on a bike and have a ***, and would certainly be inclined to use it as described.

    A mental health outpatient might conceivably ride a bike, have a *** and shoot under such conditions.

    An inebriated offduty police officer who's recently been busted down to bike squad WOULD NEVER be able to do such a thing, however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cudak888 View Post
    Sounds to me like a disturbed CM'er.
    Do you know anyone who rides Critical Mass? The majority of them tend to favor making *** ownership illegal. For the most part, they are not the sort to be owning guns. I've got plenty of criticism for CM myself, but please - if you're going to generalize, at least try for some accuracy.
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    This cracks me up. I know plenty of us have entertained the fantasy of getting some sort of violent revenge on bad drivers. The irony in this case is the driver actually had the courtesy to stop and check on the cyclist and was then attacked. In my world, I'd reserve the bazookas for the Hit and Runs, thank you very much.

    Also, flying attack squadrons of africanized honey bees for people who fail to yield, mace for slow pedestrians, and a bag of **** on the doorstep of every legislator.

    Oh oh oh and also

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    Might Have Been Roid Rage!!!

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    Hey, anyone got a place i can hide for a while... this is completly non related...

    ...kidding

    I live in milwaukee and I didnt even hear about this until just now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seafoamer View Post
    "The bicyclist got up, fired three shots and hit the driver once in the shoulder, police said."


    Someone needs target practice.
    +10

    Reminds me of the news articles of shoot outs... "125 rounds were fired, but nobody was injured"

    WHAT????


    Note: This post is in no way meant to endorse the cyclist shooting at the motorist... just making fun of the shooter for being such a lousy shot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cudak888 View Post
    I bet that cyclist thought he was doing a great favor to the cycling community. Bull$hit.

    Sounds to me like a disturbed CM'er. True, the motorist may have been at fault, but at least he was kind enough to stop and see that the cyclist was all right. No reason for gunplay, let alone violence.

    And we thought wrong-way cyclists gave us a bad name...

    -Kurt
    This incident is unrelated to cycling. The guy just happened to have a bike. Plenty of people have bikes, even criminals.

    EDIT: wait, nevermind... it's slightly related. I didn't notice the cyclist fell because the car passed him closely. I thought he was just lying on the ground.. makes more sense now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boss Moniker View Post
    This incident is unrelated to cycling. The guy just happened to have a bike. Plenty of people have bikes, even criminals.
    criminals steal bikes. the bike was probably stolen.
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    Sometimes the news gives out the name and location of the victim. They didn't in this case. I guess they figure the guy on the bike is still pretty mad. You know, not to give any leads and make it too easy. Oh well... anyway, I bet that motorist will think twice about passing too close to a bicycle again though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmclaughlin807 View Post
    +10

    Reminds me of the news articles of shoot outs... "125 rounds were fired, but nobody was injured"

    WHAT????


    Note: This post is in no way meant to endorse the cyclist shooting at the motorist... just making fun of the shooter for being such a lousy shot.
    My all time favorite was not too ong ago, when asked why the suspect was shot 65(?) times, the police officer replied 'we ran out of bullets'

    I'm not gung-ho on shooting people, but I do believe in defending myself.

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    Who knows the whole story, the motorist might have been going back to steal the biker's wallet. There was a story here a couple of years ago where some guys would run motorcyclists off some rural roads and then go back to steal thier wallets, so I wouldn't put it past them.

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    I can't come to any conclusions about this story until I have more details.

    But from what I've read on these forums plenty of folks seem to support cyclists carrying guns so who knows...
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    Well I have been here in Indiana all day, I did go for a ride eairler but I went no where near milwaukee.

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    Does anyone else find it odd that the motorist ALMOST hit the cyclist but did not; yet the cyclist fell down anyway.

    Clearly the story is from the motorist viewpoint.

    The other side of the story might be:
    Motorist road rages on cyclist for delaying him by 10 seconds, when the motorist is able to pass, he pulls along side the cyclist and swerves into the cyclist forcing him into a ditch causing the cyclist to crash. The road rager gets out of his car with a tire iron, screaming at the cyclist as he runs towards him. The cyclist yells stay away, but the motorist keeps coming. The cyclist then fires 2 warning shoots but the motorist does not stop, so the cyclist shoots the motorist in the shoulder (to injure but not kill) in self defense, . When the motorist goes back to his car, the cyclist rides off to a side road in fear the motorist will chase him down and run him over. The cyclist does not go to police, because when he was run off the road before, the cops told him there was nothing they could do about it since it was his word against the motorist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CB HI View Post
    Does anyone else find it odd that the motorist ALMOST hit the cyclist but did not; yet the cyclist fell down anyway.

    Clearly the story is from the motorist viewpoint.

    The other side of the story might be:
    Motorist road rages on cyclist for delaying him by 10 seconds, when the motorist is able to pass, he pulls along side the cyclist and swerves into the cyclist forcing him into a ditch causing the cyclist to crash. The road rager gets out of his car with a tire iron, screaming at the cyclist as he runs towards him. The cyclist yells stay away, but the motorist keeps coming. The cyclist then fires 2 warning shoots but the motorist does not stop, so the cyclist shoots the motorist in the shoulder (to injure but not kill) in self defense, . When the motorist goes back to his car, the cyclist rides off to a side road in fear the motorist will chase him down and run him over. The cyclist does not go to police, because when he was run off the road before, the cops told him there was nothing they could do about it since it was his word against the motorist.
    Are you serious? This is the biggest stretch I've ever seen. Is it somehow inconceivable that the cyclist got really pissed because he crashed after a close-call with a car? And that in this rage, he shot the guy who stopped?

    I have real doubts that the guy would have stopped if he purposely caused the cyclist to crash. Wouldn't that be counter productive to someone in a hurry? Wouldn't making the guy crash be more than enough to suffice for being in the way for a few seconds? Your little scenario here seems incredibly unlikely, and the "motorist side" of the story makes more sense. If the cyclist wasn't in the wrong for shooting the guy, he probably wouldn't have ran. *** crimes are serious things, and nothing adds up the way you want it to.

    If the driver was malicious, he most likely wouldn't have stopped. If the cyclist didn't escalate to road rage and shoot the guy in the wrong, he wouldn't have ran.

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    Might Have Been Roid Rage!!!
    Hemorrhoids, perhaps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by syn0n View Post
    Are you serious? This is the biggest stretch I've ever seen. Is it somehow inconceivable that the cyclist got really pissed because he crashed after a close-call with a car? And that in this rage, he shot the guy who stopped?

    I have real doubts that the guy would have stopped if he purposely caused the cyclist to crash. Wouldn't that be counter productive to someone in a hurry? Wouldn't making the guy crash be more than enough to suffice for being in the way for a few seconds? Your little scenario here seems incredibly unlikely, and the "motorist side" of the story makes more sense. If the cyclist wasn't in the wrong for shooting the guy, he probably wouldn't have ran. *** crimes are serious things, and nothing adds up the way you want it to.

    If the driver was malicious, he most likely wouldn't have stopped. If the cyclist didn't escalate to road rage and shoot the guy in the wrong, he wouldn't have ran.
    No more unlikely than the motorist story. So the real truth likely is somewhere in the middle, is it not?

    I had a motorist intentionally squeeze me off the road after long honks and revving of the engine. When I caught up to him, I spat on his back window. Half a mile later, he had pulled onto a side road, walked into the traffic lane and tried to push me off my bike into traffic. I stopped and put a foot down, he came at me again to push me off. I was ready and used the power of my down leg, shoulder and arm to shove him back five yards. He then understood he would not when a fight.

    After I called the cops, what do you think his story was? "The bicyclist spit on my car for no reason, after I stopped to talk to him, the bicyclist assaulted me."

    So yes, the story I presented is plausible. Just as the gang banger story is plausible. I just presented the other possible scenario.

    Have you not had motorist that where in a big hurry suddenly have all the time in the world to tell you what the motorist thinks the laws are, or pace you to tell you to get on the sidewalk, etc.
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    The difference is that the guy stopped with the intention to help (allegedly, I guess, because he's a motorist and has to be lying right?), was shot, and the cyclist fled. If the cyclist was in real danger and in the right, he would have had no reason to run. But he did. This leads me to believe he either realized he was out of line for shooting the guy or he wasn't allowed to have a ***/*** was stolen/something.

    What would you say if a motorist shot a cyclist who violated his or her right of way, resulting in a crash? The cyclist stops to see if the driver is okay, and is greeted with bullets. I'm sure that would be completely unacceptable, and rightfully so. It's insane.

    So why are we making up implausible theories that ignore the facts to protect a cyclist who shot a guy who violated his right of way, but was actually decent enough to stop?

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    Quote Originally Posted by syn0n View Post
    Are you serious? This is the biggest stretch I've ever seen. Is it somehow inconceivable that the cyclist got really pissed because he crashed after a close-call with a car? And that in this rage, he shot the guy who stopped?

    I have real doubts that the guy would have stopped if he purposely caused the cyclist to crash. Wouldn't that be counter productive to someone in a hurry? Wouldn't making the guy crash be more than enough to suffice for being in the way for a few seconds? Your little scenario here seems incredibly unlikely, and the "motorist side" of the story makes more sense. If the cyclist wasn't in the wrong for shooting the guy, he probably wouldn't have ran. *** crimes are serious things, and nothing adds up the way you want it to.

    If the driver was malicious, he most likely wouldn't have stopped. If the cyclist didn't escalate to road rage and shoot the guy in the wrong, he wouldn't have ran.
    Neither scenario is too far fetched to possibly be true. People do some crazy stuff. Like the guy that jumped out of his car and chased me down the sidewalk (Leaving his car in the intersection) because I flipped him off after he intentionally pulled in front of me when he had a red light. He was pissed off that I was riding on the sidewalk (Bike path) ....
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    Quote Originally Posted by syn0n View Post
    The difference is that the guy stopped with the intention to help (allegedly...

    So why are we making up implausible theories that ignore the facts to protect a cyclist who shot a guy who violated his right of way, but was actually decent enough to stop?

    A true story about another guy who "stopped with the intention to help (allegedly":

    Christmas eve 1991, a motorist (Albert Ian Schweitzer) hit a female bicyclist (Dana Ireland) and seriously injured her. He and his 2 passenger (Shawn Schweitzer and Franklin Pauline Jr.) stopped, got out of the car and dragged her onto a dirt road. They raped her and then Pauline struck Ireland in the head with a tire iron because he wanted to make sure she would die. They threw her into some bushes and drove off leaving Ireland to bleed to death.

    “Pauline showed no emotion as court clerk Linda Mende read the jury's verdict: guilty of second-degree murder, kidnapping and first-degree sex assault.”

    So which story is less likely, mine or this real life story?

    Any guesses on what the story was when police first questioned them?

    http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/...p_text_date-0=
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