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Old 10-21-07, 12:27 AM   #26
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I have been honked from some drivers on the road, but it's usually to let me know that they are behind me, or trying to pass me slowly or just letting me know that they are there and praying that I don't make some stupid move. ; )
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Old 10-22-07, 03:33 AM   #27
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Honkers here are always children trying to prove they can intimidate you and impress their buddies. Either slow down and offer to discuss it with them, which is always much more than they bargained for, or just ignore galore.
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I-Pod, both earbuds in, volume turned up.... never have to deal with another honk ever again.
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Old 10-22-07, 09:59 AM   #29
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Now, how to react to these honkers? I have to admit, that my first knee jerk reaction is to simply yell out 'F... you' which I have done a couple of times, other times I have just held it in...just and stayed silent. Now I admit, abusing them isn't that best way to make them patient and considerate but is there anything else I can do, or is it generally best just to keep quiet and keep pace to avoid the risk of road rage?

Any suggestions?
It is easy to yell back; but it typically is not very helpful. I generally ignore them but the wave is a good signal that you understand that they are there. I try to not let it change my decision-making process--i.e., slowing down or speeding up from what I perceive is a safe and comfortable range of speed.

Mind you, there are different types of honks. Occasionally, I will get a quick tap from a motorist passing me. From my perspective it is the equivalent of a "passing on your left" on a MUP.
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I got a honk this morning as I was moving into the lane to take a left turn. It was what some of you call a "friendly" beep, as if to say "hey, I'm here." To me, there are no friendly honks. I wish I could roll up next to the driver's window and say "Well, **** I'm not encased in 2 tons of steel; i KNOW what's going on around me. As if I couldn't hear your gas guzzling, fume spitting, growling, death machine approaching without a honk. Furthermore, if it was a passing honk, wtf are you doing trying to pass me ON MY LEFT when I'm about to make a left turn, *******!?!?!?"

I responded with a middle finger. I'm trying the smile and wave approach, but the hand reacts faster than the brain. It's hard to intercept.
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I responded with a middle finger. I'm trying the smile and wave approach, but the hand reacts faster than the brain. It's hard to intercept.


Very funny. I think we understand. At least I know I do!
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Wave at them - make them think that you believe they are honking at you to say hello and not to say get out of my way. Take as much space in the lane that you feel you need to be safe, or enough room to move right if need be. If it's clear ahead, wave them around you. If the mood strikes you, blow them kisses.
My thoughts are in the same vein. Smile, Wave back signal your intent. As soon as it is clear, pull right, signal the diriver through with a smile and a "Thank you". Remember. You will get more friends with sugar than you get with vinegar.

If the motorist is really being obnoxous, smile and wave anyway. Disregard his taunts and move on. You are not obligated to take on his burden.


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Chaos? Last thing I will do is hug the curb.... or worse, the sidewalk?!

Honkers are merely being rude. They are not kindly letting you know they are there so they can pass. Nine times out of ten, I will be on an empty road--- to traffic in sight, when I am honked at. So I differ with your assessment.

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Here's what to do.

The cyclist doesn't know the chaos he's creating behind him. Effective cycling states to maintain position no matter what for it's up the motorist to make a safe pass. However this often leads to honks and road rage. Here's my solution.

You need to buy a Take A Look Mirror. With this mirror, you'll be able to see the traffic behind you for about 1 1/2 blocks easily and this will give you maybe 10 or 15 seconds to determine how to handle the upcoming situation. Once the cars reach me, I'll hug the curb or sometimes pull to a side. If there's parked cars on the side, I'll rush to a spot where there aren't any vehicles and ride slowly in that location until the traffic passes me. In a few times, I'll get on the sidewalk for a brief moment until the cars pass.

I can often see where there are going to be problems and find solutions ahead of time that will enable traffic to flow ahead of me. But I can only do this with a mirror.

The only way I can determine how much traffic has accumulated behind is to buy this mirror. I found using the tehnique above eliminates the majority of those dreaded honks and it enables me to ride for miles, taking the lane with impunity since I can clearly see what's behind me at all times.

Once you buy this mirror, you'll exactly the problems you're creating for the motorist. Other on the forum will say who cares what the motorist thinks, it's his problem to make a safe pass. However, if you want to avoid those dreaded honks, you'll use my technique.
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Old 10-22-07, 06:20 PM   #34
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I generally ride very rural roads; riding in an urban setting is a novel experience for me. Having said that:

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With this mirror, you'll be able to see the traffic behind you for about 1 1/2 blocks easily and this will give you maybe 10 or 15 seconds to determine how to handle the upcoming situation.
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I can often see where there are going to be problems and find solutions ahead of time that will enable traffic to flow ahead of me. But I can only do this with a mirror.
+1. On my regular routes, I know areas where it's safe for someone to pass, and it's usually not far up the road. By knowing what's coming up behind me, I can either slow down to get them past while we're on the current straight-away, or speed up to get around that curve before the get to me. Basically, I try to manage where the pass occurs. The pass is gonna happen; it's in my best interest to, when I can, control where it occurs.

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Once the cars reach me, I'll hug the curb or sometimes pull to a side.
I don't generally do this. If I'm on a blind curve, it's not safe to pass, and if I'm on the straight-away, they've got all the room in the world to get by.

Then again, there was the time I saw a house coming up behind me. That side street looked awfully good.
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Old 10-22-07, 07:13 PM   #35
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I too am a waver. If your horn blast was a challenge to me being on the road, so sorry, it did not work. If you were saying hello, then hello to you too.

If I seem to leading a very long procession with no good passing opportunties in prospect with a safe and relatively convenient way stop to pull aside, I will usually get out of the way. About half the time in one particular narrow slightly uphill stretch of road I will briefly turn into a nice smooth driveway and enjoy a thirty-second break while traffic sorts itself out. (I've never had anyone horn blasting me right there, but would likely respond to that by happily waving, shifting down a gear, and riding on.)

My model in this is midwest farmers who know full well they have every legal right and excellent reason to be on the roads with their slow equipment but also seem willing enough to help faster traffic proceed.

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I have one of those Airzounds air horns. I honk right back. They're not expecting that and they tend to try to get away from me very quickly.
+1. Airzounds rock!
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Old 10-23-07, 10:34 AM   #37
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+1. Doing this only reinforces the belief that the roads were made for the almighty car and bicycles don't really belong there. This belief is why many honk. Be ok with the fact that sometimes you will hold up motorists and sometimes they will honk or yell at you. Usually that's as far as it goes.
I have to disagree there. Snarling traffic just because it's your right, when you have a safe method of moving aside, doesn't prove any point. There's a big difference between having a right and exercising it indiscriminantly.

Incidentally, in rural areas with farm equipment it's road etiquette that the slow moving vehicle move over every so often to let a column of stopped traffic pass. It's not just a bike thing - it's how slow and fast traffic can accomodate each other.

That said, I'd never ride in glass or door zones, or otherwise reduce my safety to accomodate anyone. But as a general rule, if I can help someone else out with minimal inconvenience to myself, I'll do it. That applies to all aspects of life.
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Similar to the above post, if I see a semi coming at me and one from behind and it looks like we are all going to arrive at about the same time, I will pull over. Partly for my well being, and partly to help out traffic. No, I don't have to, but I do.

In fact, I'll wave them on so they know it won't be an issue. This is a very narrow road with zero shoulder and lots of truck traffic.
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I have one of those Airzounds air horns. I honk right back. They're not expecting that and they tend to try to get away from me very quickly.
I have to agree. Honk right back at them with an Airzounds Eco-Blast air horn.
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+1. Doing this only reinforces the belief that the roads were made for the almighty car and bicycles don't really belong there. This belief is why many honk. Be ok with the fact that sometimes you will hold up motorists and sometimes they will honk or yell at you. Usually that's as far as it goes.
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I have to disagree there. Snarling traffic just because it's your right, when you have a safe method of moving aside, doesn't prove any point. There's a big difference between having a right and exercising it indiscriminantly.
I can understand someone using the horn if they've been stuck behind a bike for a while, but some people use their horns for no reason other than to share their displeasure at having to share the road with a bike. I've had single cars honk at me when there were no other cars on the road. Exactly what traffic was I snarling? One time, a dump truck laid on his air horn just before he began to pass me. There was nobody else in either direction, I was riding on a straight, level road, and I could tell from the engine sounds that he didn't slow down at all when he passed me. Some of it is just mean spirited people for whom the only solution, in their minds, is that bikes not ride on the road.
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I can understand someone using the horn if they've been stuck behind a bike for a while, but some people use their horns for no reason other than to share their displeasure at having to share the road with a bike. I've had single cars honk at me when there were no other cars on the road. Exactly what traffic was I snarling? One time, a dump truck laid on his air horn just before he began to pass me. There was nobody else in either direction, I was riding on a straight, level road, and I could tell from the engine sounds that he didn't slow down at all when he passed me. Some of it is just mean spirited people for whom the only solution, in their minds, is that bikes not ride on the road.
I've had this happen too. Both from cars and dump trucks. Scared the livin' doocus out of me. I knew they were there. Just wasn't expecting the horn. Trying to give them the benefit of a doubt, I wondered if they THOUGHT they were doing me a favor? Letting me know they were there so I didn't swerve into them or something? Who knows. At any rate, it didn't ruin my ride any.
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My reaction is dependent on the driver. I change my route very frequently. Some areas where I bike are very bike friendly or tolerant. People generally do not honk and do wait for an opportunity to pass and even then, they do so by taking the other lane.


In these cases, since I am in front, I do turn to look at them, letting them know that I do acknowledge them, and since I am in front, I waive them with a go ahead to pass me, since they are waiting. This seems to be working without any incidences.


On the other hand, driving on the not-so bike ridden roads, I get honks all the time and passengers yelling obscene things out the window. Its all fine for me, and I typically wave. I do get drivers that creep up on you, and pass you without merging on the other line going 50+miles per hour and right when they pass you they honk. This angers me on so many levels. First one being that they do not realize that anything could cause me to weave and get hit like a pot hole or road debris, glass..etc. When they honk, and I am not aware of their presence, I jerk the bike from a shock reaction and that is dangerous as well, (Just like somebody jumping out from in front of you from hiding and screams when you're not expecting it), what's your reaction at that time, you jump. The second thing about it is that initial adrenaline rush from the scare is never pleasant, and that alone forces me to do things like scream and throw out a middle finger before my brain can comprehend what I just did.
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I agree with the mirror crowd. If you use a mirror, no one is going to surprise you with a honk because you saw them coming and can see their trajectory in advance of your meeting point. I have a zefal spy mirror on the end of my drop bar. A quick scan and I see who is coming and if their front wheels are pointed in a safe direction.

I have done the whole airzounds thing and ditched it. No sense in inflaming a situation when you are the vulnerable party.
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I like mirrors and use one, but I've got to say it's no help at all in warning me about a car that might honk. Unless I've chosen a popular bike route for a weekend ride, there are always cars coming up behind me. The mirror doesn't tell me that one of them is going to be aggressive, or get behind me and honk.

I do use it to see if I have a tail of cars, and pull over into a wider spot when it's convenient and safe, and maybe that alleviates it some. But to use the mirror to help out the traffic behind you, to facilitate traffic flow, depends 100% on the level of traffic where you ride and what the roads are like. Mostly it isn't even possible on my roads.

When I feel that hand coming up unbidden for the bird, I try to fling ALL my fingers out and make it into some kind of wave. But I don't get honked at more than once every month or two, and most of those turn out to be honking at another car and not me. The last thing I want is to antagonize some driver that's just trying to give me space and getting honked at.
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Dang, I thought this was about those damn Canada geese that crap all over the bike path where I live. That slippery mess is a real safety hazard. I don't know what to do about them, so I ignore them just like I do the human honkers.
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Wow, 10 year dredge (well, 9.5...). Wonder if this is a record.

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Well as has been oft stated in the past, the more things change the more they stay the same.
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I have to disagree there. Snarling traffic just because it's your right, when you have a safe method of moving aside, doesn't prove any point. There's a big difference between having a right and exercising it indiscriminantly.

Incidentally, in rural areas with farm equipment it's road etiquette that the slow moving vehicle move over every so often to let a column of stopped traffic pass. It's not just a bike thing - it's how slow and fast traffic can accomodate each other.

That said, I'd never ride in glass or door zones, or otherwise reduce my safety to accomodate anyone. But as a general rule, if I can help someone else out with minimal inconvenience to myself, I'll do it. That applies to all aspects of life.
Well said, IMO those who steadfastly "take the lane", "control", ect at all times are cycling's equivalent of the honker.
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