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Old 12-27-07, 07:18 PM   #1
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cyclist vs. dog owners on judge judy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p12x52UzJsc


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Old 12-27-07, 08:23 PM   #2
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You go, Judge Judy!!!!!
Somebody smack the dog owner for even thinking that the bike rider was in any way responsible!
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- most dog owners are responsible, but in the past year i have met some very, very stupid dog owners...
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Old 12-27-07, 08:49 PM   #4
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As a mailman, I'd say that attitude exists in about 50% of dog owners, or more.
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There are two kinds of people in the world, as watching Judge Judy will demonstrate:

- Those that get it (the bike rider in this case)

- Those that are clueless (the dog owners in this case)
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Old 12-27-07, 09:45 PM   #6
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Thanks for the link.

I especially liked the part of the defendants claim that the cyclist was there at the wrong time and the wrong place, and that it was his fault for hitting their dog.

Lame, but beautiful
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Old 12-27-07, 09:57 PM   #7
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DOG OWNER; "...he had plenty of other roads to ride on!"
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"Lets assume I woke up in a good mood." LMAO!!!
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Old 12-27-07, 11:32 PM   #9
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Owners like these seem to be everywhere. Am I the only one who feels that allowing a dog to chase people should be a criminal offense? I bet he is one of those guys who lays on the horn as he passes too! Judge Judy did great.
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Judys great !

Dog owners are one of the most inconsiderate
blocs of humans we suffer today. I am reminded
of this by the people on every block of every city
who let their dogs bark, tied up outside for hours at
a time. And sadly enuff, a lot of these humans who
inflict themselves on the poor canines in their role as
'owner', will or have reproduced.
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Old 12-28-07, 06:12 AM   #11
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Letting dogs run "at large" is a crime here in Tennessee. The law essentially establishes almost strict liability for damage by such dogs. Which is useful; we've got a claim right now against a dog owner that has resulted in all medical and property damage being covered so far, with no release signed yet. Without the at large law we would likely have had to sue to establish liability.

Back in the old days, special light guns were marketed just for cyclists to deal with dogs. Unfortunately I expect people have the same respect for and skill with guns these days as they do with cars. But I've thought about a taser and a big stick. Dogs get trained pretty easily through trauma.
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Old 12-28-07, 07:36 AM   #12
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Did you hear Mrs. Jones ask 'if I was backing out of my driveway and he hit me, he wouldn't have any responsibility at all?' I more than chuckled at that. I actually hoped Judy would reply with 'Well, of course not, you silly woman! You are not supposed to enter a roadway until traffic has cleared, until it is safe to do so.' The defendants both have a very odd sense of responsibility and right and wrong. Victims are not at fault.

Good link. Thanks for posting it!
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Judys great !

Dog owners are one of the most inconsiderate
blocs of humans we suffer today. I am reminded
of this by the people on every block of every city
who let their dogs bark, tied up outside for hours at
a time. And sadly enuff, a lot of these humans who
inflict themselves on the poor canines in their role as
'owner', will or have reproduced.
Did you mean to say "some" dog owners? Because obviously you are not seeing the dogs owned by the responsible dog owners, because those dogs are not tied up and barking.

Also, I'm not sure if "poor dog ownership skills" is a genetic trait Maybe if they reproduce they can have their kid walk the dog once in a while.
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Thank you. My dogs stay in the house and occasionally venture into in the back yard. Once in a while they bark at other dogs behind or beside us or at someone walking in the front door. I would be very angry if my dogs got out the front door and got hit in the street, but there's no way I could blame the driver/rider in the road.
Now about the people down the street......
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I've always found it curious that "bike riders" aren't necessarily frowned upon by most people but "cyclists" are. If a housewife wearing bermuda shorts, a t-shirt and no helmet had run into the dog, I bet the dog owner would have been mortified and you certainly wouldn't have him saying it was the bike riders fault. However, as "cyclists" with our expensive bikes, bright-colored lycra and helmets, we're considered to be more of a nusiance for some reason. For example, a guy in jeans and a baseball hat plodding alongside the rode on a bike carrying a grocery bag would rarely be yelled or honked at by motorists like we are on a routine basis. Why is this?
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Monk asks a very good question, and his premise is clearly correct. Think about it like this: The causal jogger plodding past is non-threatening because he is a lot like the people walking along the sidewalk. The runner who zips past is more alien - she's doing something the average person can't do, and some people view it almost as though she is mocking them ("Look how darn good at this I am!") It's not true, of course, but that's how many people look at it. It's the same with cycling, and even moreso. Most folks have ridden a bike, but I bet fewer than 10% have ever gone over 15 mph, and less than 1% have done a mile at 15 mph. So someone going by at 20, and dressed oddly to boot, is just plain showing off. Am I right?

Regarding the video, it's simply scary how clueless so many people are. That's why it is so important to ride defensively.
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Old 12-28-07, 08:12 PM   #17
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I've always found it curious that "bike riders" aren't necessarily frowned upon by most people but "cyclists" are. If a housewife wearing bermuda shorts, a t-shirt and no helmet had run into the dog, I bet the dog owner would have been mortified and you certainly wouldn't have him saying it was the bike riders fault. However, as "cyclists" with our expensive bikes, bright-colored lycra and helmets, we're considered to be more of a nusiance for some reason. For example, a guy in jeans and a baseball hat plodding alongside the rode on a bike carrying a grocery bag would rarely be yelled or honked at by motorists like we are on a routine basis. Why is this?
*raises hand*

Because lycra looks funny?

Actually, I don't know. I'm one of the "housewife" type (but with helmet), plodding along on my dinky folder. The worst I get are eye-rolling people who think I'm going too slow but will not hassle me because I'm female.
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Old 12-28-07, 08:36 PM   #18
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Because lycra looks funny?
Okay, let me throw another one at you . . . skin-tight pants are fine on football players. What's wrong with them on cyclists?!?
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...So someone going by at 20, and dressed oddly to boot, is just plain showing off.
Two other factors to consider:

1) If you look like you're riding for transportation vs riding for recreation, it might make a difference. There is no validity to that either - but worse than being on their road in their way, is appearing to cost them an all-important 2.6 seconds while frivolously playing with a toy.

2) Acquired hostility: roadies in flashy jerseys on expensive bikes are the most visible cyclists. They are often seen riding in large packs, sometimes obstructing traffic and violating the right-of-way of others at red lights and stop signs.

There are 3 significant "racer" groups in this town and in all three areas where they ride, there is a significant increase in motorist hostility to cyclists.

Also, I noticed a decrease in harassment when I switched from wearing a cycling jersey to a T-shirt while commuting. I'm still going 18-20 mph.
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Also, I noticed a decrease in harassment when I switched from wearing a cycling jersey to a T-shirt while commuting. I'm still going 18-20 mph.
I've often thought of doing this . . . in some motorists' minds you might go from "bike geek" to "a guy riding a bike . . ." But then you're probably less visible and sweat becomes more of a problem. We can't win . . .
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That was a great link and what a couple of idiot dog owners.

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The plaintiff in the case is a member here; I believe he posted a thread on this attack (with a link to the video) some time in the past.
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Okay, let me throw another one at you . . . skin-tight pants are fine on football players. What's wrong with them on cyclists?!?
We don't wear as much padding or use as many steroids.
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Okay, let me throw another one at you . . . skin-tight pants are fine on football players. What's wrong with them on cyclists?!?
Well, fwiw, I hate lycra on football players. Big muscle-bound hulks in tights? NO, please spare me the spectacle. I just find lycra funny in general. Maybe it's because I got so sick of it in the years I was doing ballet and other sorts of dance.
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I've often thought of doing this . . . in some motorists' minds you might go from "bike geek" to "a guy riding a bike . . ." But then you're probably less visible and sweat becomes more of a problem. We can't win . . .
I have several florescent colored T-shirts. Bright, solid colors are actually more visible than multi-colored jerseys.

I actually made the switch because of sweat. I get soaked on the way to work regardless of what I wear, but the jerseys STINK after they dry. In summer, I ended up having to carry a second one with me to wear home. Cotton isn't laundry fresh, but at least it doesn't reek.
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