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    Should there be a bicycle class to state drivers license?

    Well, what do you think? Just as motorcycles have a special class and special class license for operating on state roads, should there be a similar class for people using bikes as transportation vehicles?

    Well since 5 already responded, let's flesh out the idea a bit more. Why have a license? Not to generate income, nor because unlicensed riders don't pay for roads. Here are some reasons why it might be beneficial:

    1. for data metrics, there are #### cyclists who commute to work each year
    2. for special treatment in driver education. Since this is a special class of vehicle on the roads, non cyclists have to give them special consideration. Say like air vehicles or water vehicles. The general rule of thumb is the slower and less moverable vehicles has right of way over faster vehicles.
    3. for jump starting cycle commuting. A state tax credit of $1.00 for mile cyclocommuters log commuting to work in a year. A state tax credit to businesses of $1.00 each cyclocommuter mile employees log during the year.
    4. as a foot in the door for increasing penalities for motor vehicle drivers ignoring the rights of the cyclist.
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    For what purpose? The habits of motorists go largely unchecked. I doubt a license requirement would drive much enforcement. Or would it be a driver for education of cyclists?

    I'm leery of getting government involved in any more than government is now. Government can't handle everything they've piled on their plates at the moment. Why add more?

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    Less government is what we need. Stop wondering if you can improve things by getting them involved with anything.

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    No. Cars and such require licenses because they are dangerous, both to their occupants and other people who may be run over, or into, when the driver looses control.
    Bicycles, removing cars from the equation, are an extremely safe mode of transportation. Even considering cars in the equation, bicycles are still favorable compared to cars.
    Not too much to say here

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    No.Just No.We pay enough to license everything from our pets to our peckers.its time the guberment went on a cash flow diet anyway!!

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    No. Slow moving vehicles should not need a license. The Amish would just ignore this requirement anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddyfish View Post
    No. Cars and such require licenses because they are dangerous, both to their occupants and other people who may be run over, or into, when the driver looses control.
    Bicycles, removing cars from the equation, are an extremely safe mode of transportation. Even considering cars in the equation, bicycles are still favorable compared to cars.
    Please give me some data to back up the last sentance.

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    I think mandatory Cycling (could replace a year of Phys Ed) in High School would be better

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    Quote Originally Posted by HiYoSilver View Post
    Here are some reasons why it might be beneficial:

    1. for data metrics, there are #### cyclists who commute to work each year
    2. for special treatment in driver education. Since this is a special class of vehicle on the roads, non cyclists have to give them special consideration. Say like air vehicles or water vehicles. The general rule of thumb is the slower and less moverable vehicles has right of way over faster vehicles.
    3. for jump starting cycle commuting. A state tax credit of $1.00 for mile cyclocommuters log commuting to work in a year. A state tax credit to businesses of $1.00 each cyclocommuter mile employees log during the year.
    4. as a foot in the door for increasing penalities for motor vehicle drivers ignoring the rights of the cyclist.
    The "reasons" above (AKA your desired goals) would in no way be furthered or affected by special bicycle classes nor special licenses. The only benefits would accrue to those making a buck or those bicycling "educators" looking to boost their self esteem by practicing their craft on an unwilling public.

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    So only people who commute to work would be required to have a license? What about my kids? Do they need a license? How often does it need to be renewed? As was said earlier this is more government where government doesn't need to be. The reality is this would be seen as another tax on the poorest among us (for the most part). This is a foolish idea.

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    Even if the licenses were free, I think a lot of cyclists wouldn't like the idea because the tickets for running signs and lights could add points to their license, and the rider could eventually lose their privilege to ride as their licenses could be suspended. I don't want to see people paid to ride either. It can pay for itself if you're a thrifty commuter, or it's an alternative to a car or public transit which you fund yourself. Besides that, a license will only discourage riding anyway. If it is required to have a license, many people simply won't go to the DMV to get it done because it won't be worth the effort to them.

    And a lot of riders ride because it's about the most utilitarian way of getting around outside of walking.

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    That's a fantastic idea, cyclist should have licenses! But first cyclist should have learner's permits where you can only cycle with another cyclist who is fully licensed. Then once a written and practical exam has been taken there should be graduated license whereby newly licensed cyclist must abide by certain restrictions such as riding only on streets with lower speed traffic and strictly during daylight hours. Cyclists should also have to register their bikes (for a fee of course) and have them inspected yearly for saftey compliance with legislated standards. Non conforming bicylces would have to be repaired and then reinspected. Finally cyclists should have to insure thier bikes for 3rd party liability. Cyclists should have to carry thier license and registration and insurance at all times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rwp View Post
    Please give me some data to back up the last sentance.
    How about this, see if you can figure it out.

    43,000>700
    Not too much to say here

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    No No No No No No No, and......No.

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    Only if it means I can take the whole lane whenever I want like the next licensed person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dhofmann View Post
    Only if it means I can take the whole lane whenever I want like the next licensed person.
    ....on any and every single road, highway, or freeway.

    And occupy one parking spot on the side of the road just like a car would, anywhere that it's legal to park a vehichle.

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    Most cyclists drive cars. Most drivers have a Driver License.

    I think a much better idea would be to incorporate bicycling specific questions into the written portion of the DL test. This way the cyclists who drive would get the training, and the motorists who don't ride would get the same training. This would help motorists who don't ride understand why a cyclist may choose a specific course of action for the sake of safety rather than, "Just look at that sanctimonious *******. He's just doing that to be in the way and slow traffic."

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    Great idea! But why stop there? Pedestrians should also be required to get a license to use any public highway, even the sidewalk in front of their house. Better yet, how about a license to leave ones home. That would certainly help protect, quantify and get us special treatment.

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    Much better to require all learner drivers to spend a year as a member of a cycling club with a minimum year's mileage fo, say, 3000 miles, before being given their provisional (or whatever you call it over there) licence.

    Plus insisting that all school children take a basic cycling road safety course in the last year at primary school (ages 9/10/11-ish), followed by a more advanced course at about 15/16.

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    This was just proposed yesterday in Iowa. See the other thread in this forum. I have no idea what's going on with it or even who this lawmaker is...I'm checking that. I am going to write my district representative on this.

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    Bicycling is one of the few remaining things you can do without asking for permission from the government. I will never get a bicycle license, I will never register a bicycle. I don't care what laws are passed, I will refuse to acknowledge any such laws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CommuterRun View Post
    Most cyclists drive cars. Most drivers have a Driver License.

    I think a much better idea would be to incorporate bicycling specific questions into the written portion of the DL test. This way the cyclists who drive would get the training, and the motorists who don't ride would get the same training. This would help motorists who don't ride understand why a cyclist may choose a specific course of action for the sake of safety rather than, "Just look at that sanctimonious *******. He's just doing that to be in the way and slow traffic."
    We already have this in BC.

    We also have graduated licensing with an incentive to get a full license earlier by passing an approved drivers course.

    I've pushed to let new drivers receive a learners permit earlier by having the applicant pass a cycling course that could be taught in schools.

    Hasn't happened yet because of lack of funds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenGrasshoppr View Post
    I think mandatory Cycling (could replace a year of Phys Ed) in High School would be better
    A High School class teaching bicycling should be a Pre-Requisite for taking Driver's Ed.
    Think about it... It would solve a Lot of problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -=Łem in Pa=- View Post
    ^^^ vote for any current republican and you will get this wish !
    Ron Paul? Get a life and actually check what you are saying before spewing your stereotypical bunk.

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