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Old 03-29-08, 06:58 PM   #1
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Bus Drivers

Try to avoid bus drivers when you see those bus stop signs on the sidewalk. Today a bus made a sudden turn onto our lane forcing the person in front to brake and the person behind her flew off his bike and fell right under the bus. The bus fortunately made the stop at the bus stop before the bus wheel crushed his head. The bus driver was pretty rude saying he was only doing his job.
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The bus driver was pretty rude saying he was only doing his job.
You should have gotten his info, and let his boss know that this employee has misinterpreted his job description...
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Old 03-30-08, 05:08 AM   #3
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You should have gotten his info, and let his boss know that this employee has misinterpreted his job description...
Agreed.

I would have called the police and filed a report.
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Agreed.

I would have called the police and filed a report.
Absolutely.
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The way the Bus Driver sees it, bicyclists are stealing his job.
Don't you know? People who don't have cars are supposed to ride the County Bus, not ride bicycles.
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well yeah im like traumatized now xD
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Right hooking and drifting into the lane skills are requirements
for becoming a bus driver here.
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Yeah, I do my best to avoid buses in general. The ones around here aren't very good at using mirrors. Scary.
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It sounds like the bus drivers in Salt Lake County are typical. They just go where and when they feel like it, let everybody else get out of their way or be run over. Cars, as well as bikes and pedestrians. Rude, arrogant, pushy.
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The police probably will do nothing, but getting it on record makes it worth the effort to report it. Better to report it to the bus company. They generally take a dim view of drivers acting irresponsibly, and hopefully will take some sort of disciplinary action against the driver.

The best ones are when you get a tradesman or similar with their own phone number painted on the side of the vehicle acting like a nob. Then you can call them directly.
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The police should have been summoned. You should still file the report, it's a hit and run.
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There seems to be a lot of cities with nasty bus drivers. Must be overly tight schedules?

When I was in college the bus drivers were the safest and most patient of drivers. Always happy to talk to passengers (okay, almost always). And they had an incredible record on accidents.

It's not impossible to have a bus system that works.
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There seems to be a lot of cities with nasty bus drivers. Must be overly tight schedules?

When I was in college the bus drivers were the safest and most patient of drivers. Always happy to talk to passengers (okay, almost always). And they had an incredible record on accidents.

It's not impossible to have a bus system that works.
Ditto for Ottawa. I'm a bus rider now until the weather improves. As a bike commuter, I have always had excellent interaction with the bus drivers of Ottawa. I've even had occasions where the drivers seemed to be deliberately blocking traffic so I would have time to get into a safe spot. I always make sure to wave thanks when a driver gives me the right of way .
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City Bus Drivers = Excellent and very cyclist aware
School Bus Drivers = The Worst and occasionally hostile
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Try to avoid bus drivers when you see those bus stop signs on the sidewalk. Today a bus made a sudden turn onto our lane forcing the person in front to brake and the person behind her flew off his bike and fell right under the bus. The bus fortunately made the stop at the bus stop before the bus wheel crushed his head. The bus driver was pretty rude saying he was only doing his job.
When you say the "bus made a sudden turn onto our lane" do you mean
  1. bus was in adjacent traffic lane and suddenly merged into bike lane to get to bus stop
  2. bus was in outside lane (no bike lane) and cyclists were in "road margin" (unmarked bike lane, if you will) near curb when bus suddenly merged into margin to stop at bus stop.
  3. cyclists were in outside regular traffic lane (no bike lane) and bus was in adjacent traffic lane when he suddenly merged into outside lane to stop at bus stop.
  4. other

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Old 03-31-08, 04:27 PM   #17
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Ah, well, this is then yet another classic example of how the bike lane stripe causes motorists to be less likely to notice cyclists riding there, and how bike lanes encourage bicyclists to pass on the right when it is inadvisable to do so.

Let me guess. The bus passed you and then began to slow. As it slowed to your speed and below, you guys were catching up and about to start passing on the right when it "suddenly" turned right into the bus stop.
What did you expect him to do, slow and come to a complete stop staying outside of the bike lane, until you guys passed him on the right in the bike lane, and then pull into the bus stop? If so, you're expecting to be treated like pedestrians.

As soon as the bus slowed you should have looked back and started moving left behind the bus. As it slowed more you should have looked back and worked to pass it on the left.

Don't ever let the front wheel of your bike go past the rear bumper of a motor vehicle on your left especially at any place where the vehicle can or might turn right, and super especially if it's a truck or a bus.

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Ah, well, this is then yet another classic example of how the bike lane stripe causes motorists to be less likely to notice cyclists riding there, and how bike lanes encourage bicyclists to pass on the right when it is inadvisable to do so.
Of course. It's the road's fault
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City Bus Drivers = Excellent and very cyclist aware
School Bus Drivers = The Worst and occasionally hostile
That's been my experience as well.

I once had a school bus pass me in a 25mph residential area. He drove down the wrong side of the road a ways, slowed for a stop sign at the intersection, denying oncoming traffic their ROW to turn in, turned left still on wrong side of road, then immediately made a scheduled stop, his tail end hanging out into the intersection. All this in about 120 feet of road - where we're climbing a hill to a stop sign. Very dangerous for everyone. I passed him later using a different road, then he repassed me again just to make an immediate stop in front of me. Amazing.

I called the School Admin and gave a restrained complaint. That bus driver gave me the stink eye for six months after that, but drove lawfully thereafter.

I hate it that my mandatory property taxes are used indirectly to endanger me. And if it ain't the school bus, it's the moms flying in their suvs (buses are usually far from full), or the friggin useless dropout teens cruising the streets at night.

I think 1 in about every 10 people drive this way - in a rage that overcomes good judgment.

All these people should be forced to ride a bike in place of their car 2 days a week for a month. Would be far more effective at modifying their behavior than any legal remedy.
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Of course. It's the road's fault
No, it's not the road's fault.
But the particular design (routing cyclists to the right of a buses turning right into a bus stop) is a contributing factor.
A lot has to happen before these design issues will be resolved, not the least of which is that bicycling advocates have to understand the role these designs play in harming and killing cyclists.

In the mean time, every reminder to not be enticed to pass on the right by a bike lane stripe may save someone's life.
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No, it's not the road's fault.
But the particular design (routing cyclists to the right of a buses turning right into a bus stop) is a contributing factor.
A lot has to happen before these design issues will be resolved, not the least of which is that bicycling advocates have to understand the role these designs play in harming and killing cyclists.

In the mean time, every reminder to not be enticed to pass on the right by a bike lane stripe may save someone's life.
By all means do that, but it is not the fault of the bike lane. Not even a little bit. It's the fault of the bus driver failing to give way to a cyclist that was perfectly visible. I've had bus drivers try the same thing, several times, on roads with and without bikelanes, and I can guarantee it wasn't because they didn't see me, they're just impatient ******. I've had a thousand times more than that merge perfectly safely across the bikelane.

Now, once one understands that bus drivers can be this way, and prone to such stupid actions, it pays to be vigilant for them on the approach to bus stops, and avoid their idiocy by any means possible, but bikelanes do not cause drivers to cut off cyclists, they make that decision themselves.

Stop being such an apologist for sh1tty driving.

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By all means do that, but it is not the fault of the bike lane. Not even a little bit. It's the fault of the bus driver failing to give way to a cyclist that was perfectly visible. I've had bus drivers try the same thing, several times, on roads with and without bikelanes, and I can guarantee it wasn't because they didn't see me, they're just impatient ******. I've had a thousand times more than that merge perfectly safely across the bikelane.

Now, once one understands that bus drivers can be this way, and prone to such stupid actions, it pays to be vigilant for them on the approach to bus stops, and avoid their idiocy by any means possible, but bikelanes do not cause drivers to cut off cyclists, they make that decision themselves.

Stop being such an apologist for sh1tty driving.
I don't care about fault or blame. I assume most people would rather avoid a crash if they could.

I care about causes of crashes in order to understand how to avoid them.
But I'm not absolving anyone of anything. I'm just not interested in fault or blame, and so am not commenting on that.
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I care about causes of crashes in order to understand how to avoid them.
The bikelane did not cause anything, so why bring it up?
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Humans do not behave in vacuums. The environment they are in largely influences how they behave.

Again, the bike lane stripe is likely to be a significant factor in how and why the bus driver behaved the way he did, and how and why the cyclists behaved the way they did. That's why I bring it up.

Further, the cyclists are likely to not be aware, even in the crash aftermath, of the role of the bike lane in enticing them to do what they did. If I can bring this to their attention, perhaps they, and maybe others reading this thread, will be less likely to be so enticed next time. Maybe even you.
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