A continuation of the Lane Control Video series.
A continuation of the Lane Control Video series.
By the way, I recall that the video creators are visitors to the A&S forum. I think that you guys/gals are doing a real service for cyclists.
Hey, what's that dude doing on the cruiser riding VC? Doesn't he know that it's only for lycra-wearing road-bike-riding super cyclists?
Oh one more comment... I wish more streets were like those shown in the video... I noticed in particular that even the right hand motorists were not driving fast enough to pass the cyclist in the left lane in the night shot.
Riding out in the left lane, and at night even, is perhaps one of the best ways to get killed. You can try to control the lane all you want,but that only works of drivers cooperate, and if they don't then the cyclist is always the loser, no matter how right he or she is.
I ride through the intersection, stop, and then wait for the green light before continuing across the intersection down the other road.
Changing lanes is, in my opinion, one of the most dangerous things you can do.
Very nice, in showing the public how to ride.
Video is only getting better. It is also the drivers worse enemy.
I was thinking about getting a video cam... I believe the one noisebeam uses is the ATC 1000... I had no idea they were this big.
I wonder how much having a big thing like that attached to your helmet influences the motorists around you.
Hey CW, I hope you don't mind me conflating your two posts.
If I may ask, what is it you think a motorist may do that makes such a maneuver so dangerous?
I am going to guess (But please correct me if I am wrong!) that you fear the cyclist would be run down from behind. That fear is kind of irrational, as you would see with just a little consideration.
Small animals like squirrels, cats and dogs have little chance of harming a motorist, yet they will perform extraordinary emergency evasion maneuvers to avoid them. I have seen folks swerve to avoid balloons blowing across their path on the freeway! My point is that motorists have been taught from their very first lesson to avoid striking things with their vehicle. This has been reinforced by repetitious behavior every time they even move a motor vehicle. It is deeply ingrained in every driver. The least likely place you would get hit by a motorist is centered in the lane in front of him.
The exceptions are intoxicated drivers, impaired drivers (Medical) or someone who is psychotic. The likelihood of meeting someone in the first category is rare, and the likelihood declines in each of the other categories. I would point out however, your method of turning left (The two-step) doesn't offer any added protection from those groups.
One of the defining characteristics of bicycles is their slow speed compared with motor vehicles. There is no time lag between spotting a cyclist and understanding that he is a slow vehicle. With no expectation of motorist style swiftness, a cyclist in the lane ahead is immediately perceived as an object the motorist must deal with. He must either slow down, or drive around him, most likely both. Only a homicidal maniac would entertain the thought of running you over. (Hint: They are not nearly as common as Hollywood makes them out to be.)
It is by far a safer position controlling a lane than sharing one, turning left or not.
Vehicular cycling techniques have not been tried and found difficult. They have been presumed difficult and not tried.
Hmmm...I will have to think about this more. Interesting points, but I always work on the assumption that all drivers are drunk, morons, or both so I am pleasantly surprised when I find out they're not.
another nice video that addresses a portion of the cycling population.
I think the video is very useful to a substantial number of riders.
I would be hard pressed to any fault in their riding.
Where I might take issue with the video is not in the safety aspect but in the advocacy aspect of the video.
If the implication, which is sometimes made in these forums, is that the maneuvers demonstrated in the video will allow any cyclist, any time to ride any where and that such techniques render moot any need for any special facilities for cyclists then I would take issue with it.
Let me address the speed issue once again. Despite the claim in the comments section that the cyclists are going no more than 15-16 mph let me suggest that viewers cue the video to 3:29 and watch it for 10 seconds counting the pedal strokes- you'll see that it totals roughly 16-17 revolutions of the pedals in that time. 6x16= 96 rpm. Given the apparently flat, smooth roads and ideal weather conditions my guess is that the cyclist would be in at least an 80" gear. Meaning an overall speed over 21 mph. Which, in my opinion, is an appropriate speed to maintain when making a maneuver like the one being demonstrated in that section of the video.
So, my issue is not with the manner in which the cyclists are riding but with the implication that:
#1- speed of the cyclist is a negligible factor.
#2- that all cyclists are capable and more importantly want to make such maneuvers.
Cone Wrench will more than likely suffer the slings and arrows of having expressed his feeling "that being out in that lane would make me very uncomfortable."
But his feeling is his feeling and I know many cyclists who feel the same way. I ride to work occasionally with my wife, who bikes regularly to work as well but almost exclusively on a bike path at anywhere from about 9 to 11 mph average. I once said to her, "shall I show you how I ride when I'm not with you?" I moved into the center of the right lane moved down the road at the speed of traffic, crossed into the left lane, signaled left and made the next turn that took me to the bike lane and waited for her.
She made her way slowly in the right lane, as far right as practicable, got to the intersection. Pressed the cross walk signal and walked her bike across.
She looked bemused and remarked, "you're nuts!" When I asked if she'd like to learn to ride that way she said, "no way."- and she means it. If not for the bike path she would never ride a bike to work, she is simply not interested. I don't think advocacy is about insisting that folks like cone wrench and my wife and many others ride the way I ride.
As a general principle, when things get tight, the closer you can match the ambient traffic speed, the safer you are. I learned that from my driving instructor, and it holds true for biking too, although it's often a lot harder to achieve.
I don't think it's reasonable to expect everyone that wants to ride a bike to ride at the sorts of speeds and on the sorts of busy roads that I do, any more than I think it's reasonable to ride a MUP at 40km/h. I do think, if increased ridership is a goal of advocacy, then providing for all levels of skill and fitness is important, not just the hammers, even if it's just a different set of techniques such as your wife employs. My wife rides with the kids to school most days, and uses the footpath pretty much as a wheeled pedestrian. It's simply safer that way since the 6yo can barely ride above walking pace. Solo, she's rides 'vehicularly' with the best of them.
I kinda subscribe to the 'trickle dow' theory, that once newbies get the hang of riding, and get fitter and faster, there will be a naturaly tendency towards using the road more, but I have no evidence of that other than my own experience. If they don't, that's fine too.
If we learn from our mistakes, I must be a goddamn genius.
Speed does matter and anyone watching the video can plainly see that the cyclists are keeping up a good clip. (I'd say around 20 mph, which is what I try to do in similar situations)
Nothing in the video says to me that all cyclists should want to ride as shown. Instead, it demonstrates nicely that doing so properly is relatively safe. While some will say "not for me" others will be inspired to venture into traffic they previously feared. Either response is fine.
Have Bike, Will Travel
You may fear this kind of accident the most, but though it may be counterintuitive you need to get over this fear to keep yourself safe. "Taking the lane" helps keep you safe from the other, likely kinds of accidents.
Anyway, great video!
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Read More: Bicycling With KnatchwaWhen I go biking, I repeat a mantra of the day's sensations: bright sun, blue sky, warm breeze, blue jay's call, ice melting and so on. This helps me transcend the traffic, ignore the clamorings of work, leave all the mind theaters behind and focus on nature instead. I still must abide by the rules of the road, of biking, of gravity. But I am mentally far away from civilization. The world is breaking someone else's heart. ~Diane Ackerman
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Have Bike, Will Travel
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It's what traffic engineers fear too when they ban bikes from high speed highways, but there's no hard evidence that they should. If you have research that suggests otherwise I'd love to see it.