Indiana you CAN get points on your license!
#1
Out fishing with Annie on his lap, a cigar in one hand and a ginger ale in the other, watching the sunset.
Thread Starter
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: South Florida
Posts: 16,056
Bikes: Techna Wheelchair and a Sun EZ 3 Recumbent Trike
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 22 Times
in
17 Posts
Indiana you CAN get points on your license!
BICYCLES
Automobiles and bicycles have equal rights upon Indiana roadways. Bicyclists must observe all traffic rules applicable to the driver of a vehicle, including usage of the right lane of the highway in travel stopping and proceeding in accord with traffic signals, and the usage of prescribed manual signs for the guidance of other traffic. The penalties which may be imposed for violations of these offenses are the same as if the bicyclist were driving a car, including, where applicable, the possible loss of a driver's license.
In addition, there are statutes specifically governing bicyclists. Be aware:
1. There must be a seat for every person riding a bicycle or carrying another person on the bicycle.
2. Bicyclists may ride two abreast, but not more than two abreast, on the roadway.
3. No bicyclist may carry any package or bundle which prevents the rider from keeping both hands on the handlebars.
4. A bicyclist may not use a siren or whistle, but must have a bell or other device attached to the bicycle capable of being heard for one hundered (100) feet.
5. Bicycles must be equipped with a white light on the front and a red light or reflector on the back for use from one-halr hour after sunset to one-half hour before sunrise.
Finally, although there is no statute requiring that a bicyclist wear protective headgear, it is strongly advised that each bicyclist wear an approved helmet.
https://www.indiana.edu/~sls/traffic_violations.html
Automobiles and bicycles have equal rights upon Indiana roadways. Bicyclists must observe all traffic rules applicable to the driver of a vehicle, including usage of the right lane of the highway in travel stopping and proceeding in accord with traffic signals, and the usage of prescribed manual signs for the guidance of other traffic. The penalties which may be imposed for violations of these offenses are the same as if the bicyclist were driving a car, including, where applicable, the possible loss of a driver's license.
In addition, there are statutes specifically governing bicyclists. Be aware:
1. There must be a seat for every person riding a bicycle or carrying another person on the bicycle.
2. Bicyclists may ride two abreast, but not more than two abreast, on the roadway.
3. No bicyclist may carry any package or bundle which prevents the rider from keeping both hands on the handlebars.
4. A bicyclist may not use a siren or whistle, but must have a bell or other device attached to the bicycle capable of being heard for one hundered (100) feet.
5. Bicycles must be equipped with a white light on the front and a red light or reflector on the back for use from one-halr hour after sunset to one-half hour before sunrise.
Finally, although there is no statute requiring that a bicyclist wear protective headgear, it is strongly advised that each bicyclist wear an approved helmet.
https://www.indiana.edu/~sls/traffic_violations.html
__________________
. “He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.”- Fredrick Nietzsche
"We can judge the heart of a man by his treatment of animals." - Immanuel Kant
. “He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.”- Fredrick Nietzsche
"We can judge the heart of a man by his treatment of animals." - Immanuel Kant
#2
feros ferio
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: www.ci.encinitas.ca.us
Posts: 21,798
Bikes: 1959 Capo Modell Campagnolo; 1960 Capo Sieger (2); 1962 Carlton Franco Suisse; 1970 Peugeot UO-8; 1982 Bianchi Campione d'Italia; 1988 Schwinn Project KOM-10;
Mentioned: 44 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1393 Post(s)
Liked 1,325 Times
in
837 Posts
Although I generally support reasonable enforcement of traffic laws for bicyclists, putting points on one's motoring record is going way too far. This sounds like a great reason to carry one's passport, instead of a driver's license, when cycling.
Does item 5 mean that I have to keep a headlight on every bike, including those I ride only during broad daylight?
Does item 5 mean that I have to keep a headlight on every bike, including those I ride only during broad daylight?
__________________
"Far and away the best prize that life offers is the chance to work hard at work worth doing." --Theodore Roosevelt
Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
"Far and away the best prize that life offers is the chance to work hard at work worth doing." --Theodore Roosevelt
Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
#3
Membership Not Required
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: On the road-USA
Posts: 16,855
Bikes: Giant Excursion, Raleigh Sports, Raleigh R.S.W. Compact, Motobecane? and about 20 more! OMG
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 70 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 15 Times
in
14 Posts
JohnE
I have been down this road with the NCDMV in the past. My contention is that a driver's license IS NOT required to ride(operate) a bicycle, so I don't expect ticket points to be applied. I did not carry one for identification. I had a State Issued ID card. Looks very similar to the DL. I was "ticketed" for failure to yield right of way, the car ran the red light but who are you going to believe? Low and behold the points showed up on my license a few months later. Short of not having a DL you are likely to get screwed in many states if they can link you to your DL. I did manage to get my points removed but it cost me over $500 in attorney fees.
Aaron
I have been down this road with the NCDMV in the past. My contention is that a driver's license IS NOT required to ride(operate) a bicycle, so I don't expect ticket points to be applied. I did not carry one for identification. I had a State Issued ID card. Looks very similar to the DL. I was "ticketed" for failure to yield right of way, the car ran the red light but who are you going to believe? Low and behold the points showed up on my license a few months later. Short of not having a DL you are likely to get screwed in many states if they can link you to your DL. I did manage to get my points removed but it cost me over $500 in attorney fees.
Aaron
__________________
Webshots is bailing out, if you find any of my posts with corrupt picture files and want to see them corrected please let me know. :(
ISO: A late 1980's Giant Iguana MTB frameset (or complete bike) 23" Red with yellow graphics.
"Cycling should be a way of life, not a hobby.
RIDE, YOU FOOL, RIDE!"_Nicodemus
"Steel: nearly a thousand years of metallurgical development
Aluminum: barely a hundred
Which one would you rather have under your butt at 30mph?"_krazygluon
Webshots is bailing out, if you find any of my posts with corrupt picture files and want to see them corrected please let me know. :(
ISO: A late 1980's Giant Iguana MTB frameset (or complete bike) 23" Red with yellow graphics.
"Cycling should be a way of life, not a hobby.
RIDE, YOU FOOL, RIDE!"_Nicodemus
"Steel: nearly a thousand years of metallurgical development
Aluminum: barely a hundred
Which one would you rather have under your butt at 30mph?"_krazygluon
#4
♋ ☮♂ ☭ ☯
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: 40205 'ViLLeBiLLie
Posts: 7,902
Bikes: Sngl Spd's, 70's- 80's vintage, D-tube Folder
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times
in
2 Posts
In FL, bike infractions do not go on your drivers license.
Different payment schedule, too........
I think its because most of the drivers here dont have licenses.
Paperwork nitemare
Different payment schedule, too........
I think its because most of the drivers here dont have licenses.
Paperwork nitemare
__________________
☞-ADVOCACY-☜ Radical VC = Car people on bikes. Just say "NO"
☞-ADVOCACY-☜ Radical VC = Car people on bikes. Just say "NO"
#5
Devilmaycare Cycling Fool
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Wynnum, Australia
Posts: 3,819
Bikes: 1998 Cannondale F700
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Stupid, stupid rule.
So, conceivably, you could lose your driving license through your actions on a bike, but since you don't need a license to ride a bike, you can continue to do so afterwards. What happens if they catch you again after that? Do they take your license of you again?
Yeah, perfectly sensible
So, conceivably, you could lose your driving license through your actions on a bike, but since you don't need a license to ride a bike, you can continue to do so afterwards. What happens if they catch you again after that? Do they take your license of you again?
Yeah, perfectly sensible
#6
Membership Not Required
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: On the road-USA
Posts: 16,855
Bikes: Giant Excursion, Raleigh Sports, Raleigh R.S.W. Compact, Motobecane? and about 20 more! OMG
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 70 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 15 Times
in
14 Posts
Stupid, stupid rule.
So, conceivably, you could lose your driving license through your actions on a bike, but since you don't need a license to ride a bike, you can continue to do so afterwards. What happens if they catch you again after that? Do they take your license of you again?
Yeah, perfectly sensible
So, conceivably, you could lose your driving license through your actions on a bike, but since you don't need a license to ride a bike, you can continue to do so afterwards. What happens if they catch you again after that? Do they take your license of you again?
Yeah, perfectly sensible
Aaron
__________________
Webshots is bailing out, if you find any of my posts with corrupt picture files and want to see them corrected please let me know. :(
ISO: A late 1980's Giant Iguana MTB frameset (or complete bike) 23" Red with yellow graphics.
"Cycling should be a way of life, not a hobby.
RIDE, YOU FOOL, RIDE!"_Nicodemus
"Steel: nearly a thousand years of metallurgical development
Aluminum: barely a hundred
Which one would you rather have under your butt at 30mph?"_krazygluon
Webshots is bailing out, if you find any of my posts with corrupt picture files and want to see them corrected please let me know. :(
ISO: A late 1980's Giant Iguana MTB frameset (or complete bike) 23" Red with yellow graphics.
"Cycling should be a way of life, not a hobby.
RIDE, YOU FOOL, RIDE!"_Nicodemus
"Steel: nearly a thousand years of metallurgical development
Aluminum: barely a hundred
Which one would you rather have under your butt at 30mph?"_krazygluon
#7
52-week commuter
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Washington, DC
Posts: 1,929
Bikes: Redline Conquest, Cannonday, Specialized, RANS
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time
in
1 Post
I would rely on the underlying statute rather than a third-party website.
__________________
The United States of America is the only democratic nation in the world to deny citizens living in the nation's capital representation in the national legislature. District residents have no vote in either the U.S. Senate or U.S. House of Representatives. www.dcvote.org
The United States of America is the only democratic nation in the world to deny citizens living in the nation's capital representation in the national legislature. District residents have no vote in either the U.S. Senate or U.S. House of Representatives. www.dcvote.org
#8
Ride the Road
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Columbus, Ohio
Posts: 4,059
Bikes: Surly Cross-Check; hard tail MTB
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 5 Times
in
3 Posts
Fortunately, thanks to the Ohio Bike Federation's lobbying, cyclists don't get points on our licenses for routine traffic offenses. The Highway Patrol insisted that reckless cycling and drunk cycling still cause points. That doesn't make a lot of sense, but it was an acceptable concession to get the bill passed.
#9
feros ferio
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: www.ci.encinitas.ca.us
Posts: 21,798
Bikes: 1959 Capo Modell Campagnolo; 1960 Capo Sieger (2); 1962 Carlton Franco Suisse; 1970 Peugeot UO-8; 1982 Bianchi Campione d'Italia; 1988 Schwinn Project KOM-10;
Mentioned: 44 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1393 Post(s)
Liked 1,325 Times
in
837 Posts
Does "reckless cycling" include, say, taking the lane?
__________________
"Far and away the best prize that life offers is the chance to work hard at work worth doing." --Theodore Roosevelt
Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
"Far and away the best prize that life offers is the chance to work hard at work worth doing." --Theodore Roosevelt
Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
Carlton: 1962 Franco Suisse, S/N K7911
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1982 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
#10
Ride the Road
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Columbus, Ohio
Posts: 4,059
Bikes: Surly Cross-Check; hard tail MTB
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 5 Times
in
3 Posts
No. It's reckless driving. I think it usually means driving crazy dangerous, like wildly excessive speed. Criminal defense lawyers tell me it's often something people charged with drunk driving plead to when the prosecutor isn't sure he can win a drunk driving conviction.
#11
freddled gruntbuggly
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 40
Bikes: Giant XTC Composite '06 :: Giant FCR C '08 :: Honda SH125i-08 :: Ford Mondeo TDCi 2.0 Zetec
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Putting points on a person's driving licence for a cycling offence is completely nuts!!
#12
52-week commuter
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Washington, DC
Posts: 1,929
Bikes: Redline Conquest, Cannonday, Specialized, RANS
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time
in
1 Post
Indiana will pull your license for all sorts of non-driving violations -- truancy, underage drinking, drug violations. I guess they view it as a general-purpose negative incentive. In that context adding cycling violations to the list doesn't seem that strange.
__________________
The United States of America is the only democratic nation in the world to deny citizens living in the nation's capital representation in the national legislature. District residents have no vote in either the U.S. Senate or U.S. House of Representatives. www.dcvote.org
The United States of America is the only democratic nation in the world to deny citizens living in the nation's capital representation in the national legislature. District residents have no vote in either the U.S. Senate or U.S. House of Representatives. www.dcvote.org
#13
Super Moderator
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Greenwood Indiana
Posts: 2,805
Bikes: Surly Crosscheck
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1542 Post(s)
Liked 868 Times
in
521 Posts
Although I generally support reasonable enforcement of traffic laws for bicyclists, putting points on one's motoring record is going way too far. This sounds like a great reason to carry one's passport, instead of a driver's license, when cycling.
Does item 5 mean that I have to keep a headlight on every bike, including those I ride only during broad daylight?
Does item 5 mean that I have to keep a headlight on every bike, including those I ride only during broad daylight?
#14
freddled gruntbuggly
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 40
Bikes: Giant XTC Composite '06 :: Giant FCR C '08 :: Honda SH125i-08 :: Ford Mondeo TDCi 2.0 Zetec
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
DCCommuter - come to the UK - you'll love it here! I got stopped once for driving my car at over 100mph (allegedly) on the motorway (freeway) - the policeman took my driver's licence details and basically just said "don't do it again!" - nothing else. Since that day I have never exceeded the speed limit. Ever. *Ahem*
#15
Super Moderator
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Greenwood Indiana
Posts: 2,805
Bikes: Surly Crosscheck
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1542 Post(s)
Liked 868 Times
in
521 Posts
No. It's reckless driving. I think it usually means driving crazy dangerous, like wildly excessive speed. Criminal defense lawyers tell me it's often something people charged with drunk driving plead to when the prosecutor isn't sure he can win a drunk driving conviction.
#16
Goonie
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Nebraska
Posts: 66
Bikes: Raleigh R600, Trek 6000, Schwinn World Tour single speed, Old JC Penny single speed beater, Various other old beaters
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
In Ohio (and I imagine elsewhere), the cop can hold you until he's definitively ID'd you. Once he's done that, he can link you to your DL. Don't play ID games with cops. It just ticks off the cop and gives him an excuse to f--- with you.
Fortunately, thanks to the Ohio Bike Federation's lobbying, cyclists don't get points on our licenses for routine traffic offenses. The Highway Patrol insisted that reckless cycling and drunk cycling still cause points. That doesn't make a lot of sense, but it was an acceptable concession to get the bill passed.
Fortunately, thanks to the Ohio Bike Federation's lobbying, cyclists don't get points on our licenses for routine traffic offenses. The Highway Patrol insisted that reckless cycling and drunk cycling still cause points. That doesn't make a lot of sense, but it was an acceptable concession to get the bill passed.
#17
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: MIAMI, OK
Posts: 119
Bikes: TE CLONE AND TE CLONE WITH JACKSHAFT
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
welcome to dufus land. Because you have made yourself a visable target. You might actually be
that much vunerable.
that much vunerable.
#18
Ride the Road
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Columbus, Ohio
Posts: 4,059
Bikes: Surly Cross-Check; hard tail MTB
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 5 Times
in
3 Posts
Actually what I was told in court (many years ago), they can charge you with reckless driving for about anything. For example we were discussing being about 15 mph over the speed limit. Judge splained to me he could convict me of reckless driving and would had the officer written a ticked for it.
#19
Been Around Awhile
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Burlington Iowa
Posts: 29,973
Bikes: Vaterland and Ragazzi
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 12 Post(s)
Liked 1,536 Times
in
1,045 Posts
Don't fool yourself, not carrying or showing the D/L is no protection from points if a D/L has been issued to you. Any LEO can easily obtain your D/L info by entering your name in his vehicle's on board computer or from the dispatcher. Also Daily Commute is correct, giving false ID info to the police is asking for bigger trouble than putting points on one's motoring record.
Last edited by I-Like-To-Bike; 04-18-08 at 10:14 AM.
#20
Slow Swimmer
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 49
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Yet, for the definitions of driving while impaired, riding a bicycle is not considered driving while impaired in North Carolina. And you don't have to have a license to ride a bike, but they can penalize you with points if you do have one. The hypocrisy of this state government is simply stunning.
#21
Super Moderator
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Greenwood Indiana
Posts: 2,805
Bikes: Surly Crosscheck
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1542 Post(s)
Liked 868 Times
in
521 Posts
It just dawned on me, the bell. Do I really have to have a bell on my bike? The other day at the LBS I noticed they all had a hokey little bells on them. Dang, could I be ticketed for not having a bell on my bike?
#22
Super Moderator
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Greenwood Indiana
Posts: 2,805
Bikes: Surly Crosscheck
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1542 Post(s)
Liked 868 Times
in
521 Posts
then what if I did not pay the ticket, could I be arrested? Thrown in jail, have a record, learn to be a real criminal in prison. Hummm for some reason Alices Resturant comes to mind.
#23
Ride the Road
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Columbus, Ohio
Posts: 4,059
Bikes: Surly Cross-Check; hard tail MTB
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 5 Times
in
3 Posts
I don't know. They might just make it impossible to get or renew a drivers license or license plates. Some places might put out an arrest warrant, which could pop up at a very inconvenient time.
#24
Super Moderator
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Greenwood Indiana
Posts: 2,805
Bikes: Surly Crosscheck
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1542 Post(s)
Liked 868 Times
in
521 Posts
It depends on your local laws, but I think most places require a bell. I have one on my bike. They're very handy, especially if you ever get on an MUP.
I don't know. They might just make it impossible to get or renew a drivers license or license plates. Some places might put out an arrest warrant, which could pop up at a very inconvenient time.
I don't know. They might just make it impossible to get or renew a drivers license or license plates. Some places might put out an arrest warrant, which could pop up at a very inconvenient time.
#25
Member
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 35
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
I'll probably be the odd man out here but I'm all in favor of strict penalties for not following the law on a car or on a bike. If they started assessing DL points for cycling infractions around here then maybe some of the more dip**** cyclists would start cleaning up their act. It's a rare day that I don't see a cyclist blowing a stop sign, gutter passing, etc. and I don't mean where there's no traffic either.