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Old 05-08-08, 04:42 PM   #1
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Was i Wrong?

i have to get this off my chest...

I was just out riding. Encountered a road rider, i followed. He had an ipod. I was right on his rear wheel - and said "Hey, can you hear me?" No answer. Louder: "Hey, bro, can you hear me?" Again "CAN YOU HEAR ME?" Yelling: "YO! HEY! I'M RIGHT BEHIND YOU! CAN YOU HEAR ME !??" finally, he realized someone was there. this is on a winding, narrow, busy 40 mph road where cops regularly post those radar equipped "your speed is" signs 'cause EVERYONE goes too fast on it.

At an intersection, i motioned, got him to turn down his iPod, told him I had been yelling behind him and he couldn't hear me, maybe he shouldn't plug up his ears when he's riding in traffic. He got really righteous and indignant .. "saying I'll keep that in mind" and "I ride 10,000 miles a year.."

I told him i hope i didn't end up reading about him, and that it only took ONE car that he doesn't hear coming to cripple or kill him.

Was i wrong to say something?
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Old 05-08-08, 04:53 PM   #2
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Did you have any reason to speak with him that involved matters of your own safety?

If not, my rule of thumb is to keep quiet and let Darwin take his course - if you get what I mean.

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Old 05-08-08, 04:57 PM   #3
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Eh, it's not really your responsibility to make sure the guy isn't an idiot. And I'd have to agree... Darwin hasn't been wrong yet for the last 200 million years.
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Old 05-08-08, 05:10 PM   #4
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point taken.. and i have to agree. I'll lighten up.

I live in the Boston area, reading about more and more bicyclists here are getting injured or killed by distracted text messaging drivers, which gets me upset. I'm riding off road a lot more than on these days because i don't feel as safe on the road as i used to.
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I would have just told him "I was trying to get your attention but you couldn't hear me because of your headphones" and left it at that.
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so should cycling by hard of hearing / deaf persons be discouraged? They would have failed that test...
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I would have just told him "I was trying to get your attention but you couldn't hear me because of your headphones" and left it at that.
Rider 1: I was trying to get your attention but you couldn't hear me because of your headphones.

Rider 2: Oh, sorry. What's up mate?

Rider 1: Actually, nothing... I just wanted to make a passive aggressive point about how people have a hard time hearing when they wear headphones.

Rider 2: <grumble><turns up White Zombie, rides off>

Rider 1: Wait! I have an entire unsolicited roadside lecture for you! Hey! <rides off to find another bicyclist to educate>
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I wonder if this guy had an ipod. http://www.komotv.com/news/local/18779919.html
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Whenever I see iPod wires dangling from the ears of bikers, joggers or walkers I no longer bother trying to give a warning of a pass. They can't hear me and don't seem to care less anyway.
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I would have just told him "I was trying to get your attention but you couldn't hear me because of your headphones" and left it at that.
"I was trying to get your attention because something fell out of your toolbag/pocket 3 miles ago but you couldn't hear me because of your headphones" and left it at that.
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so should cycling by hard of hearing / deaf persons be discouraged? They would have failed that test...
No. Hearing is over-rated. Your ears often deceive you. Hybrids are often deadly quiet.
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I was accosted by a self righteous SOB who lectured me about wearing an IPod as if it was any of his damn business. And I told him to mind his own business - so he got even more self righteous.

So OP: you can tell I don't appreciate it when people stick their nose into what I feel is my own personal decision to listen to tunes while I'm riding. Even if it was dangerous (which it isn't), it isn't dangerous to you and you need to realize adults are free to decide this stuff for yourself.

Good topic though.
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Whenever I see iPod wires dangling from the ears of bikers, joggers or walkers I no longer bother trying to give a warning of a pass. They can't hear me and don't seem to care less anyway.
I think this is a perfectly reasonable attitude. Obviously you need to be careful when passing (but you always should anyway). When I listen to tunes, I'm doubly conscious of staying right and keeping a line so if someone needs to pass - car or cycle - they know exactly where I'll be.

As someone else said, hearing is over rated. I can't distinguish between a vehicle coming behind me that will hit me vs. the million others who are just passing.

On a bike path, I think calling out is a little over rated anyway. At least half the time I call out, riders - or walkers - look back over their left shoulder, swerving that way. I ALWAYS slow to a very slow speed to pass regardless of whether I am able to get someone's attention or not.
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Oh my; your very first post/thread and it had to be a rant against another cyclist.

You know, I always see cyclist and motorist long before I hear them (even with the i-Pod off).

What rant do you plan on giving electric car drivers for not making enough noise when they approach you?
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Even without headphones it's virtually impossible to hold a converstaion with someone behind you. If you wanted to engage him in conversation, move up alongside him, otherwise, mind your own damned business.
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yes

yes. this has been another edition of 'simple answers to simple questions'.

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Oh my; your very first post/thread and it had to be a rant against another cyclist.
Yeah, sorry.. i felt funny about the encounter, sought opinions, and found this forum.

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What rant do you plan on giving electric car drivers for not making enough noise when they approach you?
Actually, that's a real problem - blind people HATE hybrids - they can't hear them idling when crossing roads (my brother's wife, r.i.p., was blind.)

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I ALWAYS slow to a very slow speed to pass regardless of whether I am able to get someone's attention or not.
That was another rant i had to another cyclist a few years ago .. he was hammering 20+mph on a bike path, past baby strollers, rollerbladers, 4 year olds weaving with training wheels.. i was on his tail, calling out behind him, for many miles. i finally yelled at him to either call out, slow down, or ride with the cars.

I'll stop being so righteous though.. this been a learning experience.

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I'll stop being so righteous though.. this been a learning experience.
Just think of how goofy you would have felt had the guy been deaf.
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Just think of how goofy you would have felt had the guy been deaf.
i felt goofy even though he could hear.. even if it was White Zombie.. or whatever.
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he was hammering 20+mph on a bike path, past baby strollers, rollerbladers, 4 year olds weaving with training wheels.. i was on his tail, calling out behind him, for many miles. i finally yelled at him to either call out, slow down, or ride with the cars.
LOL. So what you're saying is that you were doing the same thing for 'many miles'? Did that help?

How do you respond to wrong way riders? I'm interested to know. Really.
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LOL. So what you're saying is that you were doing the same thing for 'many miles'? Did that help?
It did. People got out of the way when i called out. A few times I didn't, some were startled.

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How do you respond to wrong way riders? I'm interested to know. Really.
Always been happy to let Darwin handle wrong way riders, never thought to lecture them. They also get out of the way, since i stay in my lane.

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Who is this Darwin who controls our fate and has been around for 200 million years?

(Sorry. I just think it's odd that people talk about Darwin like he invented (or causes) natural selection, rather than just noticed it.)
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I am only 51, and I have no influence on matters of stupidity or fitness for survival other than my own... But my ears burn whenever my name is mentioned.

I also have nothing to do with those award books, lists or web sites.

I also tend to leave people to their own devices while I grumble to myself how stupid they are for doing X, Y or Z that I think is stupid... until I either realize that I do it too, or that it is not all that critical.

I am sometimes caught beating dead horses though...
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I wonder if this guy had an ipod. http://www.komotv.com/news/local/18779919.html
No way man! That VC to the EXTREME!
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You were wrong to stay behind someone who could've done something stupid without realizing you were there... you put yourself in a hazardous situation. The gene pool will take care of itself.
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