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    Dutch Attitude on Helmets

    This is extremely important; do NOT wear a helmet. Only three types of people wear a helmet on a bike in Holland:

    The English.
    North Americans.
    The mentally afflicted.

    The English and Americans wear helmets because in their worlds common sense no longer rules and people must be safe from their own actions at all times. Also it is a well known fact that when Americans fall off a bike they fall on their heads, why this should be we do not know. God gave us each an ass, he appears to have given many Americans more than one ass and yet they do not use them, you have to wonder why. On the rare occasion a Dutchman comes off their bike we fall on our well padded behinds (and it’s ALWAYS the fault of a German motorist).

    http://willothewisp.org/html/bicycle_culture.html

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    There are only two things I can't stand, people who are intolerant of other people's cultures, and the Dutch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StrangeWill View Post
    There are only two things I can't stand, people who are intolerant of other people's cultures, and the Dutch.
    you have just placed yourself squarely in the former category

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    Quote Originally Posted by randya View Post
    you have just placed yourself squarely in the former category
    Don't ya think that was the intent of the statement - a little humor at one own expense.

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    Also they don't support road handlebars and say we should have bells.

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    According to a 2000 study at Rutgers University, in the Netherlands, city dwellers travel by bike more than 25 percent of the time. For each 100 million of those trips, 1.6 Dutch cyclists were killed in accidents in 1995. By contrast, U.S. city dwellers travel by bike less than 1 percent of the time and have 26.3 bike fatalities for every 100 million trips

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    Quote Originally Posted by closetbiker View Post
    According to a 2000 study at Rutgers University, in the Netherlands, city dwellers travel by bike more than 25 percent of the time. For each 100 million of those trips, 1.6 Dutch cyclists were killed in accidents in 1995. By contrast, U.S. city dwellers travel by bike less than 1 percent of the time and have 26.3 bike fatalities for every 100 million trips
    Makes sense when you have to play with.... about 25 times the amount of car traffic over bike traffic.

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    where does one pick up one of those high heeled "accessories"?

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    All I learned is that the Dutch are racist against Germans, woot. Should we take that example too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrangeWill View Post
    All I learned is that the Dutch are racist against Germans, woot. Should we take that example too?


    This just isn't possible. Germans are white. Dutch are white. So, basically you are saying that Dutch people hate whites.
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    Perhaps the Dutch can give me a few tips on how to fall on my ass as opposed to anywhere else during a crash (which are usually uncontrolled). I'd like to learn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrangeWill View Post
    Makes sense when you have to play with.... about 25 times the amount of car traffic over bike traffic.
    it's more than that.

    from
    http://www.bicycling.com/article/1,6...6637-5,00.html

    The United States has the highest traffic-death rate (15 per 100,000 residents) of all developed democratic countries. In places such as Germany and the Netherlands, traffic regulations are actually biased in favor of cyclists and pedestrians-in the event of a bike-car collision, the legal burden is on motorists to prove that they weren't at fault, and Dutch drivers are financially liable even if cyclists are at fault.

    take a look at these dutch riders in traffic

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qj8uz...eature=related

    not a helmet in site and the best head injury rate in the world

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    Quote Originally Posted by closetbiker View Post
    According to a 2000 study at Rutgers University, in the Netherlands, city dwellers travel by bike more than 25 percent of the time. For each 100 million of those trips, 1.6 Dutch cyclists were killed in accidents in 1995. By contrast, U.S. city dwellers travel by bike less than 1 percent of the time and have 26.3 bike fatalities for every 100 million trips

    In all fairness, you need numbers per kilometre (or 100 000 km). From what I have gathered, amongst the differences between North America and the Netherlands is that they tend to cycle much shorter distances, at slower pace, and quite often in a not vehicular manner (because of different traffic laws).

    And then, traffic density differs, both amongst car traffic and bike traffic.
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    I think the biggest difference is the attitude of both the drivers and the cyclists

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    Quote Originally Posted by randya View Post
    This is extremely important; do NOT wear a helmet. Only three types of people wear a helmet on a bike in Holland:

    The English.
    North Americans.
    The mentally afflicted.

    The English and Americans wear helmets because in their worlds common sense no longer rules and people must be safe from their own actions at all times. Also it is a well known fact that when Americans fall off a bike they fall on their heads, why this should be we do not know. God gave us each an ass, he appears to have given many Americans more than one ass and yet they do not use them, you have to wonder why. On the rare occasion a Dutchman comes off their bike we fall on our well padded behinds (and it’s ALWAYS the fault of a German motorist).

    http://willothewisp.org/html/bicycle_culture.html

    PLEASE LOCK THIS THREAD! TROLL! TROLL! TROLL!

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    yeah, avoid discussing an area of the world where cycling is an important part of society. Where it is normal to use a bike to get around. Where motorists respect cyclists.

    The helmet issue is really just a red herring. The point is the lack of common sense in addressing certain transportation issues.

    Last edited by closetbiker; 05-19-08 at 08:56 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randya View Post
    Also it is a well known fact that when Americans fall off a bike they fall on their heads, why this should be we do not know. God gave us each an ass, he appears to have given many Americans more than one ass and yet they do not use them, you have to wonder why.
    I usually land on my chest or shoulder, depending on whether I flipped while going over the front wheel.
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    Kind of apples and oranges. Culture, rules, history, distance of trips, etc.

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    Would a factor in the crashes be the type of frame the Dutch use? I see quite a few pics of them on what we would call "women's bikes", which are great for utility cycling. I'm wondering if the type of frame allows the Dutch to avoid falling head first when they go down?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bkrownd View Post
    I usually land on my chest or shoulder, depending on whether I flipped while going over the front wheel.
    Looks like the both the shoulder and the chest/back/pelvis (trunk) injury areas are more frequent than head injuries in collisions between bikes and cars in BC.

    The legs gets it the most though (followed by the arm)


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    Quote Originally Posted by closetbiker View Post
    Looks like the both the shoulder and the chest/back/pelvis (trunk) injury areas are more frequent than head injuries in collisions between bikes and cars in BC.
    I only collide with the ground, usually solo.
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    Hmmm, if you add the percentages cumulatively from my crash last Saturday, it came up to 58.8%
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    Tom do you feel 58% hurt?
    Cars make you weak.

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    the issue is in holland the only time bikes and cars meet are in areas where there is SO much congestion or Road furnature that cars CANNOT go faster then a bicycle. and speeding is a VERY serious penalty has my credit card noticed when i got a $300 ticket for 65Kph in a 55KPH in Utrect. In the states the police dont really consider ticketing until your are 10 mph over the speed limit. So i thought that 65KPH in a 55 kph would be fine. since that is really only 5 MPH over the limit.
    Cars make you weak.

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