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    Although i allways wear a helmet, NO,!! I would not support such a law, wehave enough privacy invadeing laws as it is.!!!!!

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    Helmet laws are ineffective

    Here in Australia we have had mandatory helmet laws for the last ten years or so. Fact is, if I had a dollar for every helmetless rider I have seen during that time I would own more than just one bike (and probably multiple helmets as well). Fact is, you cannot force anyone to do something they really don't want to do (even if it is for their own good).

    As far as I am concerned, if people are silly enough not to wear helmets, let them take the risks. If Darwin's theories take care of them our species will be a lot smarter as a result. I will always wear a helmet (whether it is legislation or not) because I have way too much cool stuff inside my head to want to take any additional risks with it.

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    Law or no Law, I'm going to wear a helmet

    Law or no law, I'm going to wear a helmet, my head is not hard enought to smash the concrete pavement...
    "Racso", the well oiled machine;)

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    Biker says he is a freestyler and that his helmet has saved his dome a few times. Helmet legislation would have no jurisdiction over dangerous sports that take place off the highway. Arguments based on the danger to off-road sporting cyclists are sinply not valid.
    This is like using the risk to rock climbers as the basis for legislation for pedestrians.

    I use a helmet, and recomend a helmet, but only as a last resort. The first resort in cycling self defense is training in vehicular cycling.
    I believe there is a case to be made for compulsory 3rd party insurance, and training for riding on the road.

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    I think that all children should have to wear helments but for adults they can use their own judgment on if they want to or not.

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    yes, I have the same problem about 10 years ago, My 10 year old son , ( i Just bought him a size 24 bike ) and he wanted to go ride with me, so i ask him to wear the helmets which i also bought at the same time with the bike, and he doesn't like to wear one, so I told him no helmet no riding with me, so he was force to wear a helmet, I have a hard time convincing my son to wear a helmet, anywayz, he doesn't want to be seen by his friend wearing a helmets, what's with these?
    "Racso", the well oiled machine;)

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    I'm really torn on this one.

    The Darwinist argument has been used with respect to snowmobilers around here for a long time, but they all seem to live long enough to reproduce and end up leaving a couple of children behind.

    Maybe, instead of making them mandatory only for children under 16 we could make them mandatory only for parents of children under 16.

    Bubba

    P.S. I always wear a helmet.

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    I'm convinced a helmet helps me, can't hurt me, and might save my brain someday. But I'm not sure passing laws helps, except maybe politicians.

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    I always wear a helmet, but having a law requiring one would be irritating. Since the public at large seems to know so little about cycling, I think any laws imposed would tend to make the whole experience worse, rather than better.

    I would like for the public at large to be made more aware of the laws (in the US, at least) that exist, i.e. a bicycle is a passenger vehicle, entitled to the use of the road, pass when visibility allows going around with safe clearance, etc. And cyclists would, in turn, adhere to the rules that exist, showing some degree of respect for motor vehicles (hey, when push comes to shove, we always lose!). I think that would do more for cycling safety than mandatory helmets.

    Besides, around here, you never see any cyclists, any age, without helmets!
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    Here is California the cops will just warn you and let you go. But the motorcycle cops are jackazzes and will give you a ticket every time they see you. I do support the law here in cali cuz there is many kids that are stupid.. (take me for example) i am always trying to either clear a jump or do a new trick... I always get hurt and my helmet has saved me from some major crashes.
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    100% Against Mandatory Helmet Law & FOR BAN ON Forwardly open C shaped Dropouts

    100% Against Mandatory Helmet Law, freedumb of choice, comfort & enjoyment are big personal freedumb issues,
    prefer nonintervention of government, but in attempt to permote bicycling as reliable safe transportation,
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    Let those who ride decide
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    Quote Originally Posted by pipes View Post
    Let those who ride decide
    but too late if they died.

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    Quote Originally Posted by orguasch View Post
    Law or no law, I'm going to wear a helmet, my head is not hard enought to smash the concrete pavement...
    Law or no law, I wear a helmet,too, cause my head is not hard enough to smash government regulation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeboy View Post
    A local safety group does a "Melon Heads" demonstration at the elementary schools - they show the kiddies what happens to a watermelon withOUT a helmet as compared to a watermelon WITH a helmet. Education will always be more effective than legislation.
    Yes, because everyone knows a watermelon has exactly the same physical properties as a human skull...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hairyman View Post
    Yes, because everyone knows a watermelon has exactly the same physical properties as a human skull...
    Especially those of us that are seedless.

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    Mandatory helmet laws are dangerous. We managed to stop a mandatory helmet law here. When we studied the stats, it turns out that bicycling is a pretty safe activity and cars are the most dangerous things out there for bicyclists. Whenever a mandatory helmet law is passed, a whole bunch of people stop bicycling and the number of deaths does NOT go down. That means the risk to the folks who are out there with helmets are getting hit by cars more often. The only thing we could find in the stats was wherever there are more bicycles on the road there are less accidents per bicycle. We assume that is because the more bicycles the car driver sees, the more they notice them because they are expecting them. I wear a helmet and I will fight with everything I have to keep those stupid anti-bike laws off the books. I can not figure why people who wear helmets care so much about other people wearing helmets, who cares? If you think you are paying for head injury victims with your taxes, stop cars and motorcycles. You would be better off getting people in their cars to wear helmets, they have a lot more head injurys than do bicyclists. If you care about people's heath, then you should do everything in your power to support bikes because the health consequences of no physical excercize far exceeds the risk of head injury on a bike. Also, the garbage that people consume as 'food' is far more dangerous than bicycling, so go after the grocery stores before you start passing dangerous laws that actually create more risk than they solve.

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    http://www.cyclehelmets.org/

    This one chart says it all:


    Percent of people using helmets has no correlation to the rate of cycling deaths. Mandatory helmet laws DO NOT WORK.
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    Just a little FYI. The Dept. of Highway Safety has reported that over 75% of vehicular accidents happen within 10 miles of the at-faults residence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeboy View Post
    Helmets, huh?

    I'm reminded of a Jerry Seinfeld stand-up routine, in which he discusses helmets. He observes that there's something scary about a culture that invents activities that are so dangerous, you have to wear head protection... but what's REALLY scary is that THEN you have to pass a law, to make people wear those helmets!

    As a long-time cyclist and MOTORcyclist (who lives in a state where I am "free" to choose), I wear a bike helmet 100% of the time, a motorcycle helmet 95% of the time. (Sometimes when I'm running a local errand, I'll wear the bike helmet on the motorcycle, rationalizing that it probably won't help me if I'm colliding with a windshield or body panel or telephone pole, but it might help me if I suddenly find myself skidding head-first along the pavement.)

    A local safety group does a "Melon Heads" demonstration at the elementary schools - they show the kiddies what happens to a watermelon withOUT a helmet as compared to a watermelon WITH a helmet. Education will always be more effective than legislation.

    As for those who choose not to wear a helmet, I see a gradual but steady improvement to the human gene pool, as the non-helmet-wearing population is reduced, knowhatImean, Vern?

    Ride on!

    [This message has been edited by bikeboy (edited 03-06-2000).]
    Just a little FYI. The Dept. of Highway Safety has reported that over 75% of vehicular accidents happen within 10 miles of the at-faults residence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crackerdog View Post
    ...If you care about people's heath, then you should do everything in your power to support bikes because the health consequences of no physical excercize far exceeds the risk of head injury on a bike. Also, the garbage that people consume as 'food' is far more dangerous than bicycling, so go after the grocery stores before you start passing dangerous laws that actually create more risk than they solve.
    I say send squads into peoples' homes for surprise cupboard checks. Visits from the government medical techs with fat calipers to see if they can pinch an inch, and vials to fill with blood for the big lab downtown. A hefty Cheet-o tax on every piece of junkfood that goes in our mouths and for every extra pound. Anyone who argues for helmet compulsion on the basis of the public health burden should willingly endorse all of that as well.

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    Would you support a mandatory helmet law?

    NO NO NO

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    I would purposely break a mandatory helmet law.

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    No - might wear one now, but definitely wouldnt if it was law.
    I think bikes having mirrors should be the law if we are going to
    encourage bloated and useless government agencies made up of
    people who in all likelihood hate bike riders to be making laws
    pertaining to them.

    The guy riding with no mirror is going to need the helmet before
    the guy with no helmet, but a mirror will.

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    I would never support a mandatory helmet law. As grown adults(most of us, at least)we have the right to choose whether to wear a helmet or not.
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