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    11 Year Old killed

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    Tragic.

    A helmet may have saved his life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KZBrian View Post
    Tragic.

    A helmet may have saved his life.
    Don't you dare! A young child is dead! DEAD!

    This isn't a game, this isn't something to use to beat out your own agenda, this is a life lost!
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    Quote Originally Posted by twiggy_D View Post
    Don't you dare! A young child is dead! DEAD!

    This isn't a game, this isn't something to use to beat out your own agenda, this is a life lost!
    If this isn't a game or meant to "beat out" an agenda, why did it get posted here? I could be wrong, but I'm sure it isn't to garner memorial donations for the family.

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    Certainly a tragedy and no one could reasonably argue otherwise however had the child been wearing a helmet a young life may have been saved.
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    said Vincent suffered head trauma and was pronounced dead at 2:30 p.m.


    From that you could argue a helmet may have helped.
    A younger driver could have helped.
    A more cautious youth could have helped.
    A more observant driver could have helped, I know I watch kids like a hawk, all ages, walking or biking because you never know what they're going to do.

    A sad accident indeed...RIP
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    Wow, pro-helmets actually want this kid to be dead by head trauma so they can use the death for their arguments.

    Low people, real low. This is like special level of hell low.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gascostalot View Post
    Wow, pro-helmets actually want this kid to be dead by head trauma so they can use the death for their arguments.


    Anyway, as others have said, this is a sad story that might have turned out differently if he'd been wearing one. Considering it's the only factor the rider actually has control over in a collision, why take the risk?

    JesseDuncan:I just love how "cars will be forced to cross the double yellow lines on dangerous limited visibility roads".

    I don't want to have a head on but oh god, I HAVE to fling myself into oncoming traffic to pass, theres no alternative!!!

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    I do question this statement: “It appears to be an unavoidable, tragic accident,” Viel said.

    A collision occurs because one party operates unlawfully and the other is unable to compensate in time. I suspect, but certainly cannot prove, that both parties were less attentive than they should be. Perhaps a stop sign or a yield sign should be posted, if this is indeed a somewhat ambiguous 3-way intersection.
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    Rip.

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    "The car was stopped in the opposing traffic lane, 20 or so yards east of the bicycle."

    Are they saying it took her 60 feet to stop her car after hitting the kid AND she ended up in the wrong lane, all on a residential street? Also, this was on a road to a field where kids play. Wouldn't you be extra cautious in an area like that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glynis27 View Post
    "The car was stopped in the opposing traffic lane, 20 or so yards east of the bicycle."

    Are they saying it took her 60 feet to stop her car after hitting the kid AND she ended up in the wrong lane, all on a residential street? Also, this was on a road to a field where kids play. Wouldn't you be extra cautious in an area like that?
    What part of 77 year OLD woman in a caprice classic (I'm guessing the car) did you not understand. It took her 3 to 5 seconds to react with the break considering here knee and hip replacment. Don't forget response time isn't what it used to be, and did she have her glasses on, or did she forget them with her dentures? Old folks have a hard time keeping their motor vehicle undercontrol and in their lane under normal circumstances much less during an emergency.

    Most old people that drive don't even recognize anyones right to be on the road (car, bike, walking or otherwise) but their own, but that is beside the point.

    I remember once in colleg a old woman was if front of me in her buick at a redlight. I heard the ambulance (lights and all) I watched if for 2 or 3 seconds coming from our left. Our light turned green and the old bat pulled right out and the ambulance T-boned her. She didn't have a clue...

    A friend of mines GD didn't make it across all 4 lanes of traffic and instead started Eastbound in the Westbound lane. He drove like that for a half mile before hitting and killing the passenger in a oncoming car, and himself. He was 90...

    Another old woman decided to go Southbound in the Northbound lane of I77 before getting run over by a rig a few years back.

    Old people and awarness don't always go hand in hand....I'm sure she didn't mean to strike the kid, but her age couldn't have helped the situation much. IMHO

    Young people and awarness don't always go hand in hand either...result ACCIDENT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ritepath View Post
    What part of 77 year OLD woman in a caprice classic (I'm guessing the car) did you not understand. It took her 3 to 5 seconds to react with the break considering here knee and hip replacment. Don't forget response time isn't what it used to be, and did she have her glasses on, or did she forget them with her dentures? Old folks have a hard time keeping their motor vehicle undercontrol and in their lane under normal circumstances much less during an emergency.

    Most old people that drive don't even recognize anyones right to be on the road (car, bike, walking or otherwise) but their own, but that is beside the point.

    I remember once in colleg a old woman was if front of me in her buick at a redlight. I heard the ambulance (lights and all) I watched if for 2 or 3 seconds coming from our left. Our light turned green and the old bat pulled right out and the ambulance T-boned her. She didn't have a clue...

    A friend of mines GD didn't make it across all 4 lanes of traffic and instead started Eastbound in the Westbound lane. He drove like that for a half mile before hitting and killing the passenger in a oncoming car, and himself. He was 90...

    Another old woman decided to go Southbound in the Northbound lane of I77 before getting run over by a rig a few years back.

    Old people and awarness don't always go hand in hand....I'm sure she didn't mean to strike the kid, but her age couldn't have helped the situation much. IMHO

    Young people and awarness don't always go hand in hand either...result ACCIDENT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maddmaxx View Post
    Define old?
    I remember a graph in the car free forum a week or two ago that showed older drivers were as bad as (worse than?) younger drivers, depending on the ranges considered.

    JesseDuncan:I just love how "cars will be forced to cross the double yellow lines on dangerous limited visibility roads".

    I don't want to have a head on but oh god, I HAVE to fling myself into oncoming traffic to pass, theres no alternative!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddmaxx View Post
    Define old?
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    Quote Originally Posted by xenologer View Post
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    no on on...at least make it 40, I'm over 30 but under 40...

    Old = people that don't understand the PC and are skeert of the internet(s)

    INTRODUCTION


    Knowledge of human growth and development is basic to the healthcare of individuals across the life span. For healthcare professionals to properly and appropriately care for their patients, an understanding of the different stages of development and tasks to be accomplished in each stage are necessary. The following review and testing of development and milestones throughout the life span is intended to familiarize you with and provide a minimal competency of growth and development for JCAHO standards. This is an annual requirement.


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    According to Erickson, at each stage of development there are certain tasks that must be accomplished for the person to experience normal psychological development.

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    This review will describe the major growth and development characteristics and milestones for children and adults. This is only a guide and is in no way to be used to interpret what all people are like or should be like. Remember people are individuals!

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    am i reading this right? there is no stop sign where the roads merge. . . for either person???

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    the article says there was no stop sign . . . but there's one in the background

    ????????????????????????????????

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    Quote Originally Posted by juggleaddict View Post
    am i reading this right? there is no stop sign where the roads merge. . . for either person???
    good catch...

    It reads like the road the kid on coming off of was a dead end at a practice field of something. Sounds like it's time to call the lawyer for the parents of the kid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by juggleaddict View Post
    the article says there was no stop sign . . . but there's one in the background

    ????????????????????????????????

    The picture is from a photobucket account, I don't think it applies in this case. Just a visual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ritepath View Post
    It reads like the road the kid on coming off of was a dead end at a practice field of something. Sounds like it's time to call the lawyer for the parents of the kid.
    Why? It sounds like the young cyclist did not stop or yield to driver who had row. If he had how could he have been hit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glynis27 View Post
    "The car was stopped in the opposing traffic lane, 20 or so yards east of the bicycle."

    Are they saying it took her 60 feet to stop her car after hitting the kid AND she ended up in the wrong lane, all on a residential street? Also, this was on a road to a field where kids play. Wouldn't you be extra cautious in an area like that?
    At 35 mph, a car is moving at 51.33 feet per second - average stopping distance at that speed would be 100 feet - likely the driver was going closer to 25 mph and slammed on the brakes to get it stopped in 60 feet:

    http://www.jmu.edu/safetyplan/vehicl...distance.shtml

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    Quote Originally Posted by ritepath View Post
    The picture is from a photobucket account, I don't think it applies in this case. Just a visual.
    It is the photo from the accident site.
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    No Charges against the driver.
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