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    Fort Lauderdale cop tells me the rules of the road...

    And guess what? If the lane is of substandard width, I should be on the sidewalk... and I must ride right up on the white line, all the way to the right...


    She even had the audacity to pull out the motor vehicle code book and I told her to look up the bicycle regulations in section 316.2065.... and I asked her to read the first paragraph, where it clearly states that I have the same rights as all other vehicle drivers.

    I said: "I have an equal right to use the road, and if a car doesn't have to be on the sidewalk, then neither do I ".


    Yeah right, thanks for wasting my time lady.
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    Very nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fordfasterr View Post
    \I asked her to read the first paragraph, where it clearly states that I have the same rights as all other vehicle drivers.
    I said: "I have an equal right to use the road, and if a car doesn't have to be on the sidewalk, then neither do I ".
    Yeah right, thanks for wasting my time lady.
    And how did she respond to your accurate quoting of the Florida Statutes?

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    Sound like you made a new friend. Good luck riding in Ft Lauderdale in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fordfasterr View Post
    And guess what? If the lane is of substandard width, I should be on the sidewalk... and I must ride right up on the white line, all the way to the right...


    She even had the audacity to pull out the motor vehicle code book and I told her to look up the bicycle regulations in section 316.2065.... and I asked her to read the first paragraph, where it clearly states that I have the same rights as all other vehicle drivers.

    I said: "I have an equal right to use the road, and if a car doesn't have to be on the sidewalk, then neither do I ".


    Yeah right, thanks for wasting my time lady.
    you forgot one detail, how did she respond?

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    316.2065(5)


    Essentialy says unless you can keep up with traffic you need to ride as close to the white line as possible.

    Along with having the rights of a motor vehicle (316.2065(5) clearly indicates cyclists dont) you also have the duties of motor vehicle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by miamijim View Post
    ...ride as close to the white line as possible...
    Isn't the phrasing "as close as practicable" ?

    http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0316/SEC2065.HTM&Title=->2008->Ch0316->Section%202065#0316.2065
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    Quote Originally Posted by markhr View Post
    Isn't the phrasing "as close as practicable" ?

    http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0316/SEC2065.HTM&Title=->2008->Ch0316->Section%202065#0316.2065
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    It does. Practicle, in my opinion, doesnt mean 'I dont feel like it' and it doesnt mean 'I'm looking instigate'.


    Although 316.2065(1) says a cyclist has all the 'rights' 316.2065(5) clearly states they dont.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fordfasterr View Post
    I said: "I have an equal right to use the road, and if a car doesn't have to be on the sidewalk, then neither do I ".
    Cars aren't permited on sidewalks. Bicycles are. Once on a sidewalk a cyclist no longer has the responsibilites of motorist. Therefore you can ride in the opposite direction etc....



    I'm out. I've givien my opinion and viewpoint.....
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    Im lucky I guess.......In another example of Fl. weirdness, the cops
    in all the towns I pass though on my ride from Riviera Beach to Juno
    seem to be very cool. Ive had to re-think the road /sidewalk thing and
    give in to riding the walk for a block or two occasionally. Yeah, it sux
    but it really is the least problematic option when its necessary. Also, a
    lot of sidewalks in FL. would be considered bike paths in civilized areas.
    Since no one walks you have a nice, 5' wide ribbon of cement all to yourself.

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    Yeah I'm kinda lucky around my neck of the woods too (Polk County). There aint a lot of cyclists around here, although there are some. Cops more or less dont pay much attention to anybody on a bike, and I've (accidentally) run red lights coming right at 'em in their lane. Crazy!! Just knew I was gonna get busted, but they never said anything.

    Another thing too, I aint gonna argue with no cop, and I aint gonna quote the scriptures to them either (motor vehicle code). They have puffed up egos as it is, and any kind of confrontation puts them on the defensive and then you're asking for trouble.

    No, I pretty much leave the cops alone, and they pretty much leave me alone.


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    I appreciate hearing about this law enforcement officer who was willing to check the applicable law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by miamijim View Post
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    It does. Practicle, in my opinion, doesnt mean 'I dont feel like it' and it doesnt mean 'I'm looking instigate'.


    Although 316.2065(1) says a cyclist has all the 'rights' 316.2065(5) clearly states they dont.
    Practicle is not a word. And practical and practicable are not the same

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    Quote Originally Posted by miamijim View Post
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    It does. Practicle, in my opinion, doesnt mean 'I dont feel like it' and it doesnt mean 'I'm looking instigate'.


    Although 316.2065(1) says a cyclist has all the 'rights' 316.2065(5) clearly states they dont.
    You are so wrong. The statute says as close as "practicable" and then it goes on to say that if the lane is so narrow that car and a bicycle cannot safely travel side by side, that the bike can take the entire lane.

    Florida also has a 3 foot law, that cars have to give cyclists three feet of clearance when they pass, so the lane has to be wide enough so that the car and the cyclist with three feet between them can fit within the same lane, otherwise the cyclist can take the lane.

    You know there are a lot of bycycle bashing forums out there you can visit where you will probably be much happier than here, making unsubstantiated anti bike posts.

    Ah, what the heck, stay here, you are so easy to pwn, its kinda fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by randya View Post
    . . . And practical and practicable are not the same
    I always thought "practicable" was lawyer-speak for the English word "practical." So, what's the difference?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daily Commute View Post
    I always thought "practicable" was lawyer-speak for the English word "practical." So, what's the difference?
    None, for all practical purposes. Only sophists tired of debating the number of angels would even bring it up let alone try to make a distinction..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daily Commute View Post
    I always thought "practicable" was lawyer-speak for the English word "practical." So, what's the difference?
    They have overlapping meanings, but "practical" has more meanings than "practicable" does. The main meaning of "practicable" refers to the feasability or sensibility of doing something. "practical" can have the exact same meaning also. And therefore in the rulebook, either of those words could have be used.

    Practical has other meanings however, like "Crast is a pretty practical guy" or "Crast has practical knowledge of fixing cars" (meaning I have more than just theoretical knowledge) or even "He was so fast I practically couldn't see his pedals"

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    Quote Originally Posted by miamijim View Post
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    It does. Practicle, in my opinion, doesnt mean 'I dont feel like it' and it doesnt mean 'I'm looking instigate'.


    Although 316.2065(1) says a cyclist has all the 'rights' 316.2065(5) clearly states they dont.
    You need to read the whole section, including the exceptions:

    (5)(a) Any person operating a bicycle upon a roadway at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing shall ride as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway except under any of the following situations:

    1. When overtaking and passing another bicycle or vehicle proceeding in the same direction.

    2. When preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway.

    3. When reasonably necessary to avoid any condition, including, but not limited to, a fixed or moving object, parked or moving vehicle, bicycle, pedestrian, animal, surface hazard, or substandard-width lane, that makes it unsafe to continue along the right-hand curb or edge. For the purposes of this subsection, a "substandard-width lane" is a lane that is too narrow for a bicycle and another vehicle to travel safely side by side within the lane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 316.2065(5)(a)
    Any person operating a bicycle upon a roadway at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing shall ride as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway except under any of the following situations:

    1. When overtaking and passing another bicycle or vehicle proceeding in the same direction.

    2. When preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway.

    3. When reasonably necessary to avoid any condition, including, but not limited to, a fixed or moving object, parked or moving vehicle, bicycle, pedestrian, animal, surface hazard, or substandard-width lane, that makes it unsafe to continue along the right-hand curb or edge. For the purposes of this subsection, a "substandard-width lane" is a lane that is too narrow for a bicycle and another vehicle to travel safely side by side within the lane.
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    Send her back to the academy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crast View Post
    They have overlapping meanings, but "practical" has more meanings than "practicable" does. The main meaning of "practicable" refers to the feasibility or sensibility of doing something. "practical" can have the exact same meaning also. And therefore in the rulebook, either of those words could have be used.

    Practical has other meanings however, like "Crast is a pretty practical guy" or "Crast has practical knowledge of fixing cars" (meaning I have more than just theoretical knowledge) or even "He was so fast I practically couldn't see his pedals"
    I saw that, but I think you're saying that in the context of this rule, they mean the same thing. Why can't they just write the law in English?

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    Quote Originally Posted by troutnut View Post
    Send her back to the academy
    Actually, since she was willing to look it up, I'd rather her be on the job then many others.

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    She was not a true cop, she was a service aide. From what I've heard, they have many similar capacities but she didn't carry a gun..


    She followed us for 3 blocks, pulled around and then stopped a light ahead, got out of her car and confronted us when we rolled up on her..

    She didn't turn on her flashers (this was after 8 pm at night) and my other riding friend told her that unless she turned on her lights she was creating a dangerous situation for us... lolz. She went back into the car and turned them on.

    As to what she said after my comment, she read the statue and tried to make it sound like the exceptions listed were actually the prohibited actions. This lady was clueless.
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    What did she look like?

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    I had a real problem with Cops until I moved here.
    I couldnt imagine a worse job, anywhere. In the civilized
    portions of America, normal people outnumber scummage
    considerably. In South Florida, 98% of the population is scum.
    They either just did something criminal or are about to.
    I feel for Cops if they willingly put themselves in a position to try
    to lower this percentage
    Maybe you should have invited her on a ride later to unburdon herself
    of some tension and angst......

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