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Old 10-18-08, 12:44 PM   #1
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Dead in Dallas

No Need to call the police.
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Old 10-18-08, 12:48 PM   #2
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Im very impressed there arent any horrible anti-bike comments below the article.
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Sounds like a horrible accident. Why was this child still out at 07:30PM riding a bike? It's sad.
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That didnt seem blatantly anti-bike to me. It seemed more like a kid shouldnt be doing that
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That didnt seem blatantly anti-bike to me. It seemed more like a kid shouldnt be doing that
activity at that time of day.

Or that maybe the officer should not have been SPEEDING without lights and sirens. The DPD police chief said that officers were only authorized to speed when they were responding to a Code 3 call with lights and sirens. In this case, the officer was going nearly twice the speed limit.

I do not buy into the "the officer is really broken up over this" That is bull. 100% bull. If he gets his job back he will just forget the whole thing.
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I do not buy into the "the officer is really broken up over this" That is bull. 100% bull. If he gets his job back he will just forget the whole thing.
He / she killed a ten year old boy.

Only a sociopath could do something like this and not be haunted for the rest of their lives.
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How do you know the cop was speeding? Is there more to it than what was reported in the linked newspaper article?
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He / she killed a ten year old boy.

Only a sociopath could do something like this and not be haunted for the rest of their lives.
Well to be a cop you can't be exactly "normal". These folks go into extremes. One of two things will happen most likely.

He will feel like crap and be all depressed and then try to kill himself, in what manner and whether he will succeed is not important.

Or he will just put it behind him and ramble on. Nothing a warm meal and a nap won't fix. No worries.

If he is normal, then he hasn't been in the force too long and will probably quit over this. Then be haunted for the rest of his life by it.
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Or that maybe the officer should not have been SPEEDING without lights and sirens. The DPD police chief said that officers were only authorized to speed when they were responding to a Code 3 call with lights and sirens. In this case, the officer was going nearly twice the speed limit.

I do not buy into the "the officer is really broken up over this" That is bull. 100% bull. If he gets his job back he will just forget the whole thing.
Now you are just imagining "what if that was my kid?".

but if you where imagining "that wasn't my kid, who cares? He was probably stupid." you would be asking "How the hell do you know that cop was speeding you liar? Prove it."

just a matter of perspective? I guess...
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How do you know the cop was speeding? Is there more to it than what was reported in the linked newspaper article?
TV news said that the officer was speeding at almost twice the legal speed limit when the wreck happened. The officer did not have their emergency lights/siren on. This is a major policy violation for an officer in Dallas. There have been numerous wrecks involving Dallas Police officers in the past few years and Chief Kunkle has banned speeding unless they are responding to a Code 3(emergency call). There was another officer in a car behind the first car that witnessed the wreck. The officer in the first car that hit the child, had an onboard video recorder onboard. It is unknown if the video camera was on, since it is only triggered by lights/siren.

I know a number of Dallas Police Officers and Firemen in Dallas. They tuck away job related stress and leave it there. At work. They don't let stuff like this follow them home. They just forget it. Same thing will happen here.

Regardless, the cop was speeding. He should not have been. He needs to be fired and have this case sent to a Grand Jury. The City of Dallas does not need police officers that cannot obey basic traffic laws. The Police Chief is very strict about this and will back my statement up.
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You keep using the word "him" when for all we know the officer could have been a woman.

Would that change things if it was ?

Most cops I know are pretty decent people...if this happened they could very well become suicidally depressed.

If I accidentally killed someone in the course of my day because of negligence I don't know how I could manage.

The worst thing here is that a family is mourning the loss of their child.. and no parent should ever have to do this.
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"It was just dark, and when he came around the curve, the only reason he even saw the kid was because of his headlights," Hale told Dallas TV station WFAA. "It was just too late to do anything."
the kid's headlights? or the moronic cop's headlights?

One of my good friend's mom got broad sided by an Ambulance doing this exact same thing, she was in a coma for weeks, luckily she lived though but her left side of her body is still a lot weaker than her right.

And since a cop did this, they probably won't get in as much trouble..and since he hit someone on a bike they'll get into even less trouble, and since it was some kid riding his bike late at night it'll probably be even less charges...this world is ****ed up...
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Update: Cop was going 68-72 miles per hour in a 40 mph posted zone. Idiot. That cop is toast. Grand Jury will have no problem delivering a True Bill. He murdered that child.
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@#$(*% that's it, I'm calling the Dallas Police in the morning. This evening at 6:20pm I witnessed a police car dust a stop sign in a local neighborhood and speed off at what had to be in excess of the speed limit without lights or siren. I had just made a complete stop (foot down) at that same intersection only a fraction of a moment before. Had I been there 3 seconds earlier I would have been half way through the intersection and who knows what would have happened.
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I dont think most of these guys who nail a cyclist or pedestrian really care all that much. In the first place these guys who hit are usually speeders and are careless but they keep on driving that way even though they know its wrong.I know a guy that hit and killed a little kid back in 2000. This guy always speeds and I had seen him drive drunk so I was real surprised when he said he had hit and killed someone. I would think after killing someone he ould be more careful then the average person. IF they look at this cops record i think they will see many prior violations
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what was the speed limit and how fast would you guess he was going?
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Not even high beams? Comeon, aren't cops taught to not drive completely incompetently?

It just annoys me when cops race around without lights and sirens.
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I find it interesting that no one here has mentioned that the kid who was killed was
crossing the street on a curve and that there were no working streetlights on that particular
stretch of roadway. I am in no way defending the officer, he was as mentioned speeding, but
I don't think he is entirely at fault, some of the blame should be shared with the city who did
not maintain proper lighting.

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what was the speed limit and how fast would you guess he was going?
The speed limit is 40mph. The officer was going 69-72mph, the police department says.

He was going soooooooo FAST that when he hit the kid he did not even stop, he did not even slow down, he just kept on going.

According to the news, the video shows that the kid was trying to cross the street. The kid got out in the lane, saw the police car approaching, tried to turn around and go back to the shoulder only 5-6 feet away. The officer was going to fast though. The police car's passenger side door is what hit the kid, just a graze really. The death occured when the child was thrown almost 80 feet from the impact.

The officer thought he might have hit a small animal, not a person.

This only shows how reckless the officer was. He was not even responding to an emergency call.
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Lets get some of the facts straight.
1) the officer did turn around
2) the time between the victim being seen in the headlights and the impact was 1 second.
3) the victim was cutting across the 4 lane road, and was struck by the left side of the vehicle.

Here's a link to the latest story
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...e.3ad796b.html

again, I'm not defending the officer, just trying to keep facts straight.
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Oh I was asking cuda2k about the cop that dusted
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Oh I was asking cuda2k about the cop that dusted
Speed limit on the street is either 30 or 35max. The police car slowed, but not to a "roll" or "California Stop" even before gunning it. Basically how one would take a flashing yellow rather than a 4 way stop sign. By the time the car was out of my line of sight I'm guessing 40+ mph, and showed no sign of slowing.
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OP, you should work for the new york times or something, you got a gift for headlines. anyhow it looks like the cop migt get charged. if the cop had been doing 40mph he would have seen him and braked and maybe not hit himor not hit him as bad, but lets say he was driving 40mph and had hit him at 40mph without braking would he have killed him?

http://individual.com/story.php?story=90641511
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Four stills from the dashcam: http://tinyurl.com/56xxx2
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