Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

Advocacy & Safety Cyclists should expect and demand safe accommodation on every public road, just as do all other users. Discuss your bicycle advocacy and safety concerns here.

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 10-21-08, 08:01 PM   #1
mondaycurse
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Bikes:
Posts: 857
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Is this normal?

In my town, if a car in front of you is turning left (no stop sign/light and no seperate turn lane) and stopped to wait for oncoming traffic, you can simply drive in the parking zone of the road without yielding, provided there are no cars parked in the "passing zone." Everyone does this, including police officers. I almost failed my graduation-required driver's ed test after I waited patiently behind the car and my driver's ed teacher docked me huge points for "disrupting the flow of traffic." I'm not sure if everyone is ignorant of the law, but this seems seriously flawed to me.

On to the bike-related information. Today I was riding around a left-turner when a car behind me honks, as he couldn't pass me. He has to yield to my speed (around 22 at the time), put his cell phone on his lap for a moment, and pass me once he was around the turning car. "You know what you just did was terribly illegal?" I told him that if what I did is so illegal, call the cops! Not sure if he did, but I finished my ride pondering the legality of passing in a clear parking zone on the side of the street. What does the all-knowing A&S board have to say?
mondaycurse is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-21-08, 08:21 PM   #2
DCCommuter
52-week commuter
 
DCCommuter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Washington, DC
Bikes: Redline Conquest, Cannonday, Specialized, RANS
Posts: 1,929
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Passing a left-turning vehicle on the right is state-by-state.

A lot of people believe that there is some law that says that cyclists must never delay motorists.
__________________
The United States of America is the only democratic nation in the world to deny citizens living in the nation's capital representation in the national legislature. District residents have no vote in either the U.S. Senate or U.S. House of Representatives. www.dcvote.org
DCCommuter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-21-08, 08:23 PM   #3
Scheherezade 
12mph+ commuter
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Oak Park, IL
Bikes:
Posts: 863
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
He did the exact same thing as you, and you are both vehicles on the road. Regardless of whether it's legal or not (certainly sounds legal by your description), it sounds like you just had a brush with a hypocritical cager who was mad that you made him tap the brakes.
Scheherezade is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-21-08, 10:07 PM   #4
cudak888 
www.theheadbadge.com
 
cudak888's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Southern Florida
Bikes: http://www.theheadbadge.com
Posts: 22,746
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5 Post(s)
I'd never pass on the right on a single-lane road; not in a car, not on a bike.

Not basing this on any particular law, this is only based on my perception of Murphy's law: The moment you pass him, he'll either get fed up with turning left, and continue straight; or make a right turn and nail you.

i.e. "The most improbable maneuver shall be the most probable when it is most inconvenient for you."

As for that driving instructor - typical cager as well.

-Kurt
__________________

Last edited by cudak888; 10-21-08 at 10:11 PM.
cudak888 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-21-08, 10:36 PM   #5
Rex G
Senior Member
 
Rex G's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Bellaire TX USA
Bikes: Bianchi Alloro, Veloce, San Remo, Pista; Rivendell Canti Rom; Zinn custom
Posts: 821
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Passing on the right, when there is only one lane available, but the lane is wide enough to enable the pass to occur, is widely done, and tolerated, but that does not mean it is legal. It is illegal in Texas, as I understand the law.
__________________
Have Colt, will travel...
Rex G is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-21-08, 11:47 PM   #6
unterhausen
Randomhead
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Happy Valley, Pennsylvania
Bikes:
Posts: 14,856
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
it's not allowed in Pennsylvania, because all driver training is done with a farm tractor with cultivator attached. Thus, as the driver starts to make a left turn, they swing 4' over to the right. You best not be passing on the right.
unterhausen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-08, 08:26 AM   #7
Kurt Erlenbach
Senior Member
 
Kurt Erlenbach's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Space Coast, Florida
Bikes:
Posts: 2,423
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
The Florida statute on point:



316.084 When overtaking on the right is permitted.--
(1) The driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass on the right of another vehicle only under the following conditions:
(a) When the vehicle overtaken is making or about to make a left turn;
(b) Upon a street or highway with unobstructed pavement not occupied by parked vehicles of sufficient width for two or more lines of moving traffic in each direction;
(c) Upon a one-way street, or upon any roadway on which traffic is restricted to one direction of movement, where the roadway is free from obstructions and of sufficient width for two or more lines of moving vehicles. (2) The driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass another vehicle on the right only under conditions permitting such movement in safety. In no event shall such movement be made by driving off the pavement or main-traveled portion of the roadway.

Passing on the right is permitted, but not required.
Kurt Erlenbach is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-08, 09:18 AM   #8
AndrewP
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Montreal
Bikes: Peugeot Hybrid, Minelli Hybrid
Posts: 6,521
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
The parking area to the right of the turning car is part of the road where parking is permitted. It is not for the exclusive use of parked vehicles.
AndrewP is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-08, 09:31 AM   #9
gcottay
Senior Member
 
gcottay's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Green Valley AZ
Bikes: Trice Q; Volae Century; TT 3.4
Posts: 3,772
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Thanks for some education, all.
gcottay is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-08, 11:37 AM   #10
Kurt Erlenbach
Senior Member
 
Kurt Erlenbach's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Space Coast, Florida
Bikes:
Posts: 2,423
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by gcottay View Post
Thanks for some education, all.
On any issue like this, the first stop must be your state statutes. We all have "common knowledge" about what the law is. Usually it's correct, but on occasion it is very wrong. Find your state statutes and make a bookmark on your computer - when some question comes up about what's legal on the road and what's not, your statutes should be your first stop and with a little effort you will find the right answer.
Kurt Erlenbach is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 01:08 AM.