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Old 11-02-08, 03:06 PM   #1
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Lower Gas Prices

Have you noticed that the bad drivers are back since the gas prices went down by half since the summer? Also, have you considered driving more since it costs less to drive?

When gas was over $4 a gallon, I biked about 200 miles a week to commute, and the gas savings were over $30 a week. If gas were $2 this summer, I wouldn't have biked as much.
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Old 11-02-08, 03:10 PM   #2
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it's a seasonal cycle now. everyone swears up and down they're never gonna drive again once gas hits some insane new high in the spring and summer, but then break out the Escalades again in the fall and winter when gas "plummets" back "down" to what was once an obscenely high price but now isn't.
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I'm gonna get an Escadale!
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prices will be back up after the election, so be prepared to do that 200 miles in the cold
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I believe the American public has finally gotten the message that large gas guzzlers are a thing of the past . That mass transit, bikeways and fuel efficient vehicles are the future in transportation and solar, natural gas and wind power are the future for electric energy. Regardless of who is elected, we must work to stop our dependency on non-renewable resources. We must be vocal .... we must be demanding of our elected officials to make this work. The short term downward trend in oil prices is just that ... short term. We have to work on long term solutions.
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prices will be back up after the election ...
True -- that is why I am holding my beat-up oil company stocks. The global recession will give the planet a brief reprieve, but Peak Oil is still a valid concept.
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prices will be back up after the election
Not if Obama wins. In fact, there will be no more hunger, unemployment, disease, war or poverty. That is what he said he'd do, right?
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Not if Obama wins. In fact, there will be no more hunger, unemployment, disease, war or poverty. That is what he said he'd do, right?
that's what they both say. words are cheap
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Not if Obama wins. In fact, there will be no more hunger, unemployment, disease, war or poverty. That is what he said he'd do, right?
Wrong forum. P&R's the place for this.
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prices will be back up after the election, so be prepared to do that 200 miles in the cold

I love this little bit of Democratic tin-hat paranoia. Do you honestly believe that Bush is bright enough to not only engineer the precipitous drop in oil prices, but also convinced the Saudis, Iranians, Russians and everyone else to forego billions in lost revenue?

No wonder Obama has you people bamboozled.
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When I filled up and saw how low my bill was, I drove into a bike rack and made sure to demolish every single one of them.

The oil companies sure knew how to make me destroy bikes.



Actually I miss having time to ride, been working overtime like a ***** on top of a full school load. Filling up just reminds me of how much time I'm spending time at school and/or work.
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I believe the American public has finally gotten the message that large gas guzzlers are a thing of the past . That mass transit, bikeways and fuel efficient vehicles are the future in transportation and solar, natural gas and wind power are the future for electric energy. Regardless of who is elected, we must work to stop our dependency on non-renewable resources. We must be vocal .... we must be demanding of our elected officials to make this work. The short term downward trend in oil prices is just that ... short term. We have to work on long term solutions.
I believe they said something similar to that after the 70s oil embargo. The American public will have finally "gotten the message" when they hit rock bottom and are out of C4.
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I love this little bit of Democratic tin-hat paranoia. Do you honestly believe that Bush is bright enough to not only engineer the precipitous drop in oil prices, but also convinced the Saudis, Iranians, Russians and everyone else to forego billions in lost revenue?

No wonder Obama has you people bamboozled.
Wow, it doesn't matter who is in office. Every election the same thing happens. Gas prices drop in the weeks before, and then in the weeks after, it shoots right back up. The people with oil aren't losing anything. They still make plenty.
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Wow, it doesn't matter who is in office. Every election the same thing happens. Gas prices drop in the weeks before, and then in the weeks after, it shoots right back up. The people with oil aren't losing anything. They still make plenty.
The general rule is that gas prices are higher in the summer and lower in the winter. According to the six year chart at gasbuddy, this happens every year regardless if there's a federal election.
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The problem is, if you pull up the 6 year chart, you realize it is the lowest it has been in 2 years. Yes the trend of cheap/winter not cheap/summer is valid, but right now we seem to have reversed the inflation process. Explain to me why the price goes down an extra 40 cents on election years.
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Better yet, a hybrid Escalade!
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Gas prices decreased about 80 cents in 2005, a non-election year. Also 2003 and 2004 has similar rises and drops. Since 2 of the last 3 election years had similar patterns occur in the previous no election year I think it's a big stretch to say that gas prices drop because of elections.
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The problem is, if you pull up the 6 year chart, you realize it is the lowest it has been in 2 years. Yes the trend of cheap/winter not cheap/summer is valid, but right now we seem to have reversed the inflation process. Explain to me why the price goes down an extra 40 cents on election years.
Global economic recession.
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LOwer gas prices are one reason (among many) why we must market cycling as a great fitness and exercise regimen, not just as a way of cutting down on fossil fuel consumption.

Get out there, ride, and make sure ya let others know how much ya love it.

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I believe the American public has finally gotten the message that large gas guzzlers are a thing of the past .
Out of curiosity, what are you seeing that leads you to that belief?

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While I agree with what you are saying, I also think that most of the general population want's a "solution" that doesn't inconvenience them... They want govenrment/industry to wave a wand and come up with something that will 'fix it' and let them keep doing what they have always done - drive big cars, run air conditioners all summer, etc., etc.
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While I agree with what you are saying, I also think that most of the general population want's a "solution" that doesn't inconvenience them... They want govenrment/industry to wave a wand and come up with something that will 'fix it' and let them keep doing what they have always done - drive big cars, run air conditioners all summer, etc., etc.
+1. The public doesn't want to "do" anything. Having a little extra trouble is just too much to ask. I just wish I was born a few years from now, that way cycling would be a bit more popular through my younger years. Even friends my age (20) think it is ridiculous to ride a bike "all the way across town" (10 miles each way). I would expect that they would be a little more understanding since they are younger and the fuel crisis will affect them more than my parents generation, but they look at me like I am a lunatic when I show up somewhere with just my bike.
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+1. The public doesn't want to "do" anything. Having a little extra trouble is just too much to ask. I just wish I was born a few years from now, that way cycling would be a bit more popular through my younger years. Even friends my age (20) think it is ridiculous to ride a bike "all the way across town" (10 miles each way). I would expect that they would be a little more understanding since they are younger and the fuel crisis will affect them more than my parents generation, but they look at me like I am a lunatic when I show up somewhere with just my bike.
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We're still driving less, and I'm still driving slower...

I haven't noticed any change since prices have went down, other than my bank account. We're saving at least 30 bucks a week now.
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Leadchucker ... Auto makers construct cars that people demand. Up until now they have targeted large SUVs and pick up trucks. Toyota for example has the technology to build the Prius but concentrated on making the Tundra and larger SUV's because that's what "we" wanted. The industry has now shifted gears and talking about high milage vehicles ... BMW and GM are releasing the plug in Mini and the Volt. These were closet projects that have exited the closet because of customer demand.
Do I think the entire American public is behind this ... hell no. I agree that the American public wants the wand approach that you speak of ... the pill that cures all. But the downward sales trends of large SUV's etc and the increasing demand for high milage cars is an indication that the American public has changed their demands on what "we" want.
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Is 'saving gasoline/fossil fuels/the planet' too abstract an argument for cycling? Most people are practical and somewhat narrower focused.

Lets market cycling as fun and healthy. We need to make bike riding 'cool,' as well. Didn't Lance Armstrong do that for a while when he won all those Tours De France? (Tour de Frances? )

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