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Old 11-24-08, 02:28 PM   #1
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Strangers on your wheel

I get uncomfortable when a rider I do not know jumps on my wheel in order to draft me. There are risks involved in tight drafting where the front wheel of the drafter can overlap and touch the leaders wheel causing a crash.

I'm posting this to see what others have said/done to be polite about expressing to another cyclist that you would rather they not ride your wheel.

Obviously I will drop the ones I can but sometimes I get a sucker who is just strong enough not to drop.
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Old 11-24-08, 02:34 PM   #2
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slow way down. You have therefore defeated their whole drafting scheme.
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Old 11-24-08, 02:36 PM   #3
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I would slow down a little very carefully, and then wave the person past. I'd say "I'd prefer to ride alone" which is a perfectly honest and polite statement. I would have absolutely no desire to ride with someone I don't know and would feel absolutely no hesitation in telling them so -what's the problem with that? Plus, I often ride in the country listening to tunes, and don't feel I should be coupled with any rider when I'm doing that for his/her safety as well as my own.
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usually no worries as long as they take a pull ,if they do not pull i slide to the left and wait,if still no pull i slow way down or almost stop or hammer until i drop them
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I would slow down a little very carefully, and then wave the person past. I'd say "I'd prefer to ride alone" which is a perfectly honest and polite statement. I would have absolutely no desire to ride with someone I don't know and would feel absolutely no hesitation in telling them so -what's the problem with that? Plus, I often ride in the country listening to tunes, and don't feel I should be coupled with any rider when I'm doing that for his/her safety as well as my own.
I have done the slowing down thing a time or two but sometimes I am shooting for a personal best effort.

I ride in a park where there is a 5 mile loop popular with cycists. I don't want to get a reputation as being rude so I've steered away from just telling them I don't want them riding my wheel. I suppose I will just start doing it.
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It takes a big hit on the back wheel to put a bike down. If a fool catches my wheel & drafts without informing me, he does so at his peril. If you announce yourself, I tend to ride with your well-being in mind. If I don't want you drafting, I'll say so.

But I usually don't care.
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I usually don't care, if I don't sense any danger.

If I'm riding my local MUP when squirrels are particulary active (read: out in force and nuttier than normal), or the person who sneaks up and drafts looks like a complete goofball, then I would probably "encourage" the person to get off my wheel.
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Old 11-24-08, 04:09 PM   #10
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I get uncomfortable when a rider I do not know jumps on my wheel in order to draft me. There are risks involved in tight drafting where the front wheel of the drafter can overlap and touch the leaders wheel causing a crash.

I'm posting this to see what others have said/done to be polite about expressing to another cyclist that you would rather they not ride your wheel.

Obviously I will drop the ones I can but sometimes I get a sucker who is just strong enough not to drop.
This bugs me too. If I can't drop them I slow all the way down so they are forced to pass me.

I had a funny incident recently that illustrates why this can be a problem. I was on Mass Ave and a random cyclist jumps on my wheel and proceeds to draft me for the next few blocks really close. Up ahead a light changes red and I begin slowing down. Pinhead behind me is not paying attention and almost crashes into me. He gives me a nasty glare and then proceeds to jump the light.

Drafting without a by your leave = rude
Drafting without a by your leave and expecting the person you are drafting to take care of your safety = stupid

I have a friend who is a hard core rider who hates when random people draft him. One time he was out alone he had someone jump on his wheel (and he could tell this was an experienced rider, not a newbie). After multiple elbow flicks that were ignored and multiple speeding up and slowing down he got tired. He grabbed his brakes and swerved slightly, taking out the drafter (it takes skill to do this) and sending him to the pavement hard!. The guy was uninjured apart from some scrapes and scratches. I wouldn't do something like this but man ninja drafters can be irritating.

Now is someone chats me up and them jumps on my wheel I have absolutely no problem. But if someone jumps on my wheel after a few blocks I will just slow down to a complete stop or move right and very firmly wave them through.
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Why do you care about being polite to presumptuous strangers?
Really, why do you care?
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Why do you care about being polite to presumptuous strangers? Really, why do you care?
In my experience, the presumptuous stranger always turns out to be a fellow human, in some cases one worth knowing. Starting polite does not limit other options should they become appropriate.
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I get passed/dropped so often I take it as a compliment if someone wants to draft me. That means I'm not going too slow for them . . .
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Old 11-24-08, 06:14 PM   #14
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In my experience, the presumptuous stranger always turns out to be a fellow human, in some cases one worth knowing. Starting polite does not limit other options should they become appropriate.
You presume a lot.
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Not wanting to be drafted because you're not confident in the drafting skills of the other cyclist (or yourself) is one thing.

To be annoyed because it is a breach of imagined etiquette is complete silliness.

Further, if someone does brazenly dare to draft you without begging for permission, and you don't want to be drafted, how about just saying "please don't draft me" like a grown up. Only Da Tinker has mentioned this novel approach of communicating your feelings with words, instead of boogers, farts, or swerves.....

People who do stuff like this:
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I have a friend who is a hard core rider who hates when random people draft him. One time he was out alone he had someone jump on his wheel (and he could tell this was an experienced rider, not a newbie). After multiple elbow flicks that were ignored and multiple speeding up and slowing down he got tired. He grabbed his brakes and swerved slightly, taking out the drafter (it takes skill to do this) and sending him to the pavement hard!
Are insecure and passive aggressive bullies.
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Why do you care about being polite to presumptuous strangers?
Really, why do you care?
Good question.

I would not normally give a flip about what others think but the area where this occurs is a public park where a lot of cyclists ride. I know a lot of them and will ride with those I know. However, since I have many friends there I do not want to be a butt then find out we have a mutual friend and be embarrased.

My biggest beef is when I am doing my timed distance and lactate threshold work where i am really focused on my riding and do not want unecessary distractions or concern for a drafter.

Like Baiskeli said above, if a person chats up and I'm not focused on training then I'll ride with them but at a conversational pace and at that level I can assess their riding skills. If they are competent and later want to ride togather then that will be fine.

My problem is with strangers who assume they can just hop on a wheel and possibly distract me from my training focus.
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Lift the pace. Make them suffer.
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Old 11-24-08, 06:43 PM   #18
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Further, if someone does brazenly dare to draft you without begging for permission, and you don't want to be drafted, how about just saying "please don't draft me" like a grown up. Only Da Tinker has mentioned this novel approach of communicating your feelings with words, instead of boogers, farts, or swerves.....
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I'm sure some of these tactics are meant in jest.

But you never know>>>>>
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How about wearing a t-shirt that says on the back "No Drafting".
Simple.
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I'm sure some of these tactics are meant in jest.

But you never know>>>>>
I did notice you were looking for "polite" solutions... which is probably why you got the response you did.

Our favorite activity here on BF, it seems, is to refuse to answer any question in a straight forward way.

Instead, we like to tell the OP that they're wrong for asking the question, and provide an irrelevant answer....

(example: Q: will these bars fit my bike? A1: You shouldn't put those bars on your bike A2: Get a different bike A3: What's wrong with you?)
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How about wearing a t-shirt that says on the back "No Drafting".
Simple.
A velcro sign to put on back of the jersey perhaps...
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A velcro sign to put on back of the jersey perhaps...
Almost as simple, but effective.
Do it and tell us if it works.
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First of all, unless you're in an organized race or have made an agreement to work together then it's not drafting, it's tailgating.....
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I'm so slow, it's only happened a couple of times, and both times I was able to drop them. One took about three miles. Stubborn old fart, that one. Most people just blow on by.
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