yater

This is as racist as any post in this thread. What a moron.

randya

too bad he's right, the neoclowns that get their support 'base' all fired up about illegal immigration are the same people who hire illegals because they work for less and are willing to do hard labor white Merkins no longer are willing to do

uke

Yeah, there wasn't anything inaccurate about what he said. Sometimes the truth hurts.

mackerel

I agree

mackerel

this post is not so much racist, but just plain stupid.

randya

let me guess, you're an evangelical, white, McCain/Palin supporter?

pacificaslim

Huh? You're going to have to explain why you found it racist. I said what I said in support of the people being attacked in this post. Someone else said "we know who these dirtbags are," in reference to immigrants. I replied that these people they are calling "dirtbags" are actually hardworking people, doing work that is actually necessary for our lives here. (can all of you say that about your job?). So that the bosses (who are mainly white) can have an easier life. Do you understand my point now?

Or did you mean that my post was racist against white people? I'm making no claims that any race is superior to any other: without that claim, there is no racism.

randya

those poor oppressed white people! OMGz!

mackerel

Actually, none of the above.

You are prejudging.
Therefore you show prejudice in the truest sense of the word.

randya

OK then Mr. smarty pants Mackerel, please explain what is racist about pacificaslim's post and what is stupid about mine (posts 19 and 27)

HoustonB

Lets get this straight you think the profile of drivers who hit and run involving a car / bike, is a lot like the profile of drivers of hit and run involving a bike / pedestrian!

You probably also think the degree of responsibility is the same, because lord knows, there is not much difference between the mass and kinetic energy of a car compared to that of a bicycle.

If I collide with a pedestrian that steps out in front of me there is, in my opinion, an equal chance of both of us receiving comparable injuries. FACT - This is not the case when a car is involved. Motorists are, or should be held to a much higher standard. Please try harder to understand that there is a legal requirement for motorists to stop after a collision that results in significant damage or personal injury regardless of fault.

Cyclists, since we are subject to the majority of the same rules that apply to motorists are probably also required to stop after a collision that results in significant damage or personal injury. However, given the unprotected nature of a cyclist, the low mass and the low kinetic energy, it is highly unlikely that significant damage is likely to be caused. And thank's to living in America (litigation land), most sensible people might think twice before hanging around and offering contact details etc.

If I am still on the scene after an accident it is likely because I am either incapacitated or extremely eager to gather contact details of witnesses.

Presumably in your book, the profile of people who drive drunk, is also not that far removed from the profile of people who ride bicycles drunk. In my opinion one is outright dangerous, the other is a comical nuisance.

mackerel

Both your statements express ethnic grievances when the true problem is found in the division of economic classes.
People who exploit the poor come from all ethnic backgrounds, from all over the world.

Yours though is stupid mainly because of this: "hard labor white Merkins no longer are willing to do"
That my friend shows a complete lack of social and economic comprehension.

randya

do you really think?

personally I think there are plenty of whites in the US willing to do hard work, it's just that the pay for this type of work no longer meets their standards (e.g. minimum wage or below), thanks to years of covert neoclown support for illegal immigration and a population that expects and demands cheap produce and other 'fruits of labor' as a result. and yes I agree that it's more about class than race, but in america the racial divides and the class divides are subparallel, and the ruling class encourages racism amongst the poor in order to keep the poor divided and unorganized. so don't go getting all snooty on me, because I understand perfectly, and using their own racial stereotypes is in fact one way to throw this ***** back into their own faces.

what's really racist about this thread is the OP's premise that all the hit 'n' run drivers killing cyclists are south-of-the-border illegals, because they sure as hell aren't. check the rest of the hit 'n' run threads, most of these drivers are as white trash redneck as they come.

mike

Yes. I believe that a person who is willing to hit/injure, a pedestrian and flee with a bicycle is the same as a person who is willing to do the same with an automobile and flee.

It doesn't matter if the weapon is an automobile or a bicycle.

If a 145 pound man hits someone in the face and breaks his nose, is it any less of an assault than a 275 pound man hitting someone in the face and breaking their nose?

Is an arsonist who burns a small house less of an arsonist than one who burns a big house?

The answer, of course, is that the offenders are the same.

Bicyclists want equal rights on the road as automobiles. Those equalities of rights carry the equality of responsibility. Bicyclists who are willing to commit crimes with automobiles are equally willing to commit crimes when riding bicycles and visa-versa. The type of vehicle does not change the profile of the operator.

pacificaslim

Nice try, but bad logic. The difference isn't between a 145 pound man or a 275 pound man. It'd be like 145 lbs. compared to a 4000 lb. man. With that much of a difference, there is no way that both punches would amount to the same damage.

It's pretty clear that cars aren't as maneuverable, don't allow us the same great visibility of what's going on around us as bikes do, and have a much greater potential for causing damage than bikes do. Once we understand this, we might indeed choose to operate our bikes in a very different manner than we operate our cars.

mackerel

Thanks for the clarification - I now agree with you.

HoustonB

WTF, you seem to see no difference between an accidental collision and deliberate assault or arson. Also as pacificslim has pointed out, you really cannot equate a 100 or 200 pound individual moving (typically) at less than 20 mph with 4,000+ pounds moving at (typically) greater than 20 mph.

The underlying characteristics of the type of people, driving or cycling, that are likely to abscond after a collision may have some similarities, but you are stretching it too far to say that they are a lot like each other. If you are going to argue that the sub group that is likely to abscond has more in common than not, then surely the same is true of the whole group, therefore you believe that all cyclists are just like all motorists.