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Old 11-27-08, 03:17 AM   #1
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Hit and Runs: Driver Profiles

There's been so many hit and runs this season its not even funny. From what yous have read about hit and run drivers that have been caught do you see any common profile of a hit and run driver?

I come across an interesting article out of Austin Texas. Interesting how when they went to the apt everyone was stone-faced with no emotion, maybe they didnt understand how the officer was speaking Spanish or soemthing

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/...sanctuary.html
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Old 11-27-08, 10:21 AM   #2
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That's pretty darn close to a hate site there. I'd really look for something else to keep this thread from changing topic quickly.
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American Stinker I would say. Takes a great leap into the unknown and basically accuses someone of murdering this guy for his political views. Obviously, the writer of the article isn't a bicyclist or else they would know this stuff happens all the time. Could be just a drunk or the typical bad driver. Did I hit something? Duh.
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That's pretty darn close to a hate site there. I'd really look for something else to keep this thread from changing topic quickly.
Hate site? Is the information factually inaccurate?
Richmond, Ca had a bad accident at an intersection caused by a driver on with no license. The news report didn't specify whether she was illegally in this country. They have been setting up checkpoints where they check every single vehicle that comes by for drivers license, registration, and insurance. Guess which category of driver they have been mostly finding????? Protesters were out before the checkpoint warning drivers that they were looking for unlicensed drivers. These protesters just "happened" to be from the Latino community. Motorcycle officers were chasing down anyone that turned around and checking them for the proper licenses. This has been protested as getting down on the immigrant community, even though they check each and every car coming through.
Every time a driver is stopped and doesn't have the required license/registration/insurance, they should get a ticket and the car is towed. Too bad if Mr/Ms CEO forgot one of their required cards. Ticket and tow.
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Hate site? Is the information factually inaccurate? ........This has been protested as getting down on the immigrant community, even though they check each and every car coming through.
Every time a driver is stopped and doesn't have the required license/registration/insurance, they should get a ticket and the car is towed. Too bad if Mr/Ms CEO forgot one of their required cards. Ticket and tow.
The issue of cyclists slaughtered by Crimmigrants---people here illegally, driving without licenses and thus impossible to track down when they kill us---will only be resolved by giving people (un)lucky enough to be arrested in these situations with a choice: (1) prison, (2) a flight back to their own country, or (3) #1 followed by #2.


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Hate site? Is the information factually inaccurate? ...
Whilst the content does not go to the extremes of advocating lynchings, I would hardly call it balanced. The headline might be hit-and-run, but that is quickly put aside as the writer gets into their rant.

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(1) prison, (2) a flight back to their own country, or (3) #1 followed by #2.
Am I the only one who thinks it is a stupid waste of money to house and feed someone in a prison, if he was going to be deported out of your jurisdiction anyway?
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So, if an illegal alien commits a serious crime, Simply deport them.

Fine.

But then they simply re-enter the country illegally and commit more crimes. Until we can prevent them from re-entering, your solution is a free pass.

At least prison prevents more crime for the period the criminals are locked up.
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So, if an illegal alien commits a serious crime, Simply deport them.

Fine.

But then they simply re-enter the country illegally and commit more crimes. Until we can prevent them from re-entering, your solution is a free pass.

At least prison prevents more crime for the period the criminals are locked up.

Considering most of the sources of crimmigrants are third world basket cases, prison here might be a more desireable alternative. We could however deport them under the terms that they do prison time in their own country; otherwise, we will put them in prison here and dock that country for the expense (since they prob receive US aid anyway).

The first task is to make sure they never get licenses and vehicles to kill cyclists with to begin with. Not easy everywhere, but in rural areas everyone knows who these dirtbags are.

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There's been so many hit and runs this season its not even funny. From what yous have read about hit and run drivers that have been caught do you see any common profile of a hit and run driver?
The scary thing for me is that there is no common profile (IMHO), it's all across the board.
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The scary thing for me is that there is no common profile (IMHO), it's all across the board.

Its a somewhat broad addition to this thread (i'll get back to the main point in a second) but 99% of "police profiling" is exactly that: complete and utter crap up there with phrenology, ESP, and mystics to solve crimes. A buddy of mine who works for a law firm has started responding with "police profiles:' needless to say the men in blue don't like having it shoved back in their face.

The battle on hit and runs is a tough one. Perhaps in 'burbs and cities the solution if video cams at major intersections and elsewhere; but out in the boonies it is damn tough nut to crack.

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FWIW I see hit and runs as a sub category of road rage, which is a big problem. People who are prone to road rage do have common characteristics but nothing we could easily discern from our rear view mirrors.

Related to this post: http://www.apa.org/monitor/jun05/anger.html
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Hate site? Is the information factually inaccurate?
That's not the only way to lie.

This is selectively highlighting stories to concoct fodder for a political view that is ethnicity-based. In short, it's racist propaganda.

Here are some of the traits of this article, like other similar propaganda pieces:

It's not about immigration per se, as none of these pieces talk about illegal immigrants of European decent. (all those Irish "illegals" for example).

It highlights individual cases and a small scope of statistics to draw a picture of a law-breaking ethnic group who is a danger to society.

Then, the victims in the stories are almost invariably a hard-working, intelligent white American. The victim becomes a symbol of the society that is being destroyed by the forces blamed in the article.

Blame for the trend is secondarily assigned to the liberalization trend in the area over the last few years.

Then, throw in an ambiguous paragraph about how the statistics don't distinguish between illegals and citizens (underlying message: this may not really about immigration, but about hispanics in general).

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Separately, these two issues are genuine issues to discuss. 1) Illegal immigration, in terms of all people who break this law, not just brown people, and 2) How to address the issue of the higher incidents of drunk driving and accidents in the Hispanic population of the US. The big lie is that articles like this are engaging in genuine discussion of those two topics.
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Yes, the article at the OP's link is racist. I think attributing sociopathic tendencies to an entire ethnic group is pretty much the definition of racism.

I imagine if I was an illegal immigrant, I wouldn't want to talk to the cops either. But around here, I can almost guarantee that hit and run drivers don't meet that profile.
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It is interesting to see bicyclists on this forum get worked up over motorists who hit-and-run bicyclists. We get SOOoooo angry when radio hosts jokingly suggest that motorists hit bicyclists.

Oddly when the table is turned, many bicyclists sympathise with other bicyclists who hit pedestrians and flee the scene. Bicyclists will argue the fault of the pedestrian and the lack of need to stop and check on the condition of the injured pedestrian who, after all, might be intoxicated or maybe even poor.

An example is a recent thread on Bikeforums.net called "I hit a Zombie today". See Hit a Zombie today!

Read how many forum members support the OP's hitting and injuring a pedestrian and then fleeing the scene. The OP proudly tells us how he managed to do it while still clipped into his pedals and didn't even fall over.

So, before we get on our high horses about the profile of drivers who hit-and-run, I think the most accurate statement we can say is that motorists who hit-and-run are a lot like..

.... BICYCLISTS!
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There's been so many hit and runs this season its not even funny. From what yous have read about hit and run drivers that have been caught do you see any common profile of a hit and run driver?

I come across an interesting article out of Austin Texas. Interesting how when they went to the apt everyone was stone-faced with no emotion, maybe they didnt understand how the officer was speaking Spanish or soemthing

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/...sanctuary.html
That is a very interesting and thought provoking article.

Thanks for sharing.
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This is selectively highlighting stories to concoct fodder for a political view that is ethnicity-based. In short, it's racist propaganda.
The political phenomenon could be called 'dog whistling', certainly suits this example. Ugly stuff.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog-whistle_politics
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So, before we get on our high horses about the profile of drivers who hit-and-run, I think the most accurate statement we can say is that motorists who hit-and-run are a lot like..

.... BICYCLISTS!
You mean bicyclists are not a superior race? So you are saying the group that kills maybe 1 person a year is just as bad as the group that kills 41,000 people?

I'll grant you that people are people regardless of what they drive and there is a significant amount of people who feel no sympathy for other people who get hit because of their own stupidity. While that is sad, that is not the bicyclists issue. The issue is that for too many motorists feel that we deserve to be hit because of our own stupidity when we are riding safe and legally. There is a difference not being able to avoid hitting someone and hitting someone just because they are in your way.
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The first task is to make sure they never get licenses and vehicles to kill cyclists with to begin with. Not easy everywhere, but in rural areas everyone knows who these dirtbags are.
Yeah, we know who these dirtbags are: they are the ones doing all the hard work so that the white folk can sit on their asses in front of computers in air conditioned offices and still collect most of the profits.
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An example is a recent thread on Bikeforums.net called "I hit a Zombie today". See Hit a Zombie today!

Read how many forum members support the OP's hitting and injuring a pedestrian and then fleeing the scene. The OP proudly tells us how he managed to do it while still clipped into his pedals and didn't even fall over.
To set the record straight - AGAIN.... I stopped, let the guy down from my handle bars gently onto his feet. While on track stand, I yelled at him "It's a live street - look where you are going!" To which he mumbled "Yeah, yeah" while looking at (possibly) a scratch on his elbow while still standing on his own two feet. So I proceeded on my way which you call "fleeing".

A jaywalker breaking the law caused me to hit him and he never once asked if I was OK either.

Find some other example to make your point and try to be more accurate next time.

Now I must flee.

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You mean bicyclists are not a superior race? So you are saying the group that kills maybe 1 person a year is just as bad as the group that kills 41,000 people?
I am saying that bicyclists also drive cars and any bicyclist who is willing to hit +injure a pedestrian and leave the scene of the accident will do the same thing when they hit and injure a bicyclist with an automobile.
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A jaywalker breaking the law caused me to hit him and he never once asked if I was OK either.
Don't be dishonest, the man was legally crossing at an unmarked crosswalk, while you illegally failed to yield.
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Hate site? Is the information factually inaccurate?
Richmond, Ca had a bad accident at an intersection caused by a driver on with no license. The news report didn't specify whether she was illegally in this country. They have been setting up checkpoints where they check every single vehicle that comes by for drivers license, registration, and insurance. Guess which category of driver they have been mostly finding????? Protesters were out before the checkpoint warning drivers that they were looking for unlicensed drivers. These protesters just "happened" to be from the Latino community. Motorcycle officers were chasing down anyone that turned around and checking them for the proper licenses. This has been protested as getting down on the immigrant community, even though they check each and every car coming through.
Every time a driver is stopped and doesn't have the required license/registration/insurance, they should get a ticket and the car is towed. Too bad if Mr/Ms CEO forgot one of their required cards. Ticket and tow.
Other than being blatantly illegal, road blocks to check papers are a great idea... who's going to take the issue to court--some illegal facing deportation? Not likely.
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