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Old 12-04-08, 09:21 PM   #1
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How come male cyclists seem to get run over more than women cyclists? I know theres alot more men cyclists but it seems you rarely hear of a women cyclist getting run down and killed. Also the same is true with pedestrians, I mean most pedestrians you hear about getting run down are men lol
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Old 12-04-08, 09:55 PM   #2
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Most car crashes are also with male drivers. I suppose women are more careful.
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Old 12-04-08, 10:00 PM   #3
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There was another thread here recently about a single mother who was run down while biking home from work at night. There are more men riders out there so that's why you hear about them more often.
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Old 12-04-08, 10:41 PM   #4
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Men are considered 'risk takers' and tend to figure more highly in most accident stats (car, sport, etc), so I guess that follows through to cycling deaths. Riding faster on less than ideal roads or in less than ideal conditions. Stereotype would see a woman being more careful, using a MUP, not riding late at night etc.

I'd lay a guess that more men ride bikes for training (ie on road, not on paths) and thus would make up a similar higher percentage of accidents/deaths.

I'll also go out on a limb and suggest that drivers would give a female more room or more attention than they might do for 'just another guy'. Sexist, yes - but people modify their behaviour all the time depending on the location/conditions (for eg you might not swear infront of children or old people, but happily eff-away infront of your friends).
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Old 12-04-08, 11:12 PM   #5
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I have a bit of experience in emergency rooms (as a patient), and my observation is that it's
1) guys who do stupid things
2) guys who get hurt because their friends do stupid things
3) women who get hurt because their boyfriend/husband did stupid things

on a more serious note, there was a female cyclist killed near here recently. she was killed by a drunk driver while cycling out in the country. he'd fled the scene of an accident in town, and struck her from behind on a flat straight road in broad daylight.
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Old 12-04-08, 11:24 PM   #6
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We must have different people in my area. Since I moved back here in 2000 we've had six fatal bike accidents within 10 miles of my home, half women and half men. Two men and one woman killed by drunk drivers, two women died from breaking basic safety rules, and one man found dead the next morning with his bike at the side of a narrow rural road. The coroners' office ruled he had been hit by a motor vehicle. Oh yes, a very small sample but evenly split male and female.
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Old 12-05-08, 12:01 AM   #7
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A large percentage of riders that have been killed or seriously injured in Seattle over the past few years have been women. In almost all cases, the driver has clearly been at fault.
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Old 12-05-08, 01:11 AM   #8
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oh yeah, i remember one accident out in seatle where a rabbi ran down a lady on a bike, put her in the hospital for 6 months and then the very next year he ran down a chinese man in a crosswalk and nearly killed him
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Rabbi Schwartz's latest victim, Matthew Nakata, was actually ethnic Japanese and he did kill him. He was late taking his daughter to school while yakking on a cell phone and fiddling with something. He still claims that he wasn't responsible. He also received a ticket for running a red light a couple of months after killing Matthew Nakata. Unfortunately, there will be more victims of this miscreant...

Naturally, he received a minor slap on the wrist for killing Mr. Nakata. He didn't even get that for nearly killing the cyclist - while he was driving on the wrong side of the road...

3 or 4 years ago a dentist was killed by a driver under the influence of something - he crossed the centerline and hit her more or less head on - ran away and was later found hiding naked. He got 2 years house arrest - basically time already served.

A couple of years ago a young woman was riding to work and was killed by a van driver who took a left turn in front of her. The driver got a fine and was found guilty of misdemeanor assult - with no real punishment.

Shortly before that another young woman was seriously injured by a hit and run ahole that also turned left in front of her.

Over that period of time, I can only recall one other cycling fatality and that was a young man who was killed by a truck right hooking in front of him while he was in a bike lane. IIRC, the police concluded that the cyclist - who legally had the right of way - was at fault. I believe there is a pending civil case.



Let's be careful out there.....
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Old 12-05-08, 01:53 AM   #10
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The last cyclist passing away around here due to an accident was female.
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Old 12-05-08, 03:19 PM   #11
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How come male cyclists seem to get run over more than women cyclists?
because males do stupid things.

It's not about what someones does, but more how they do it.

Males take part in all kinds of risky behavior. It's no wonder they're hurt more often than women
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Old 12-05-08, 07:22 PM   #12
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Excuse me, but I read in a highly acclaimed journal that gender of cyclist does not predict the accident rate per mile. Strangely enough, it is spoke lacing pattern that makes all the difference. Three-cross riders are blessed with problem free riding. Riding radial spokes is a virtual death sentence.

"The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our gender,
But in ourselves, in our spoke lacing."

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Just a quick Google of "men and accidents", and I came up with this:

http://menshealth.about.com/od/work/a/Men_Accident.htm

Most men know that, on average, they will live shorter lives than women. What is less well known is the fact that accidents and violence are one of the major contributors to early deaths and disabilities.
Young men in particular are over represented in the deaths and accidents statistics, probably because they are most likely to participate in risky behaviors. Boys are twice as likely to to die as girls in play-related accidents or by falling out of windows. As adults, men are three times as likely to die from injuries as women. Evidence from several countries shows that men are between two and five times as likely to be admitted to hospital as a result of injuries.

Men are significantly more likely to sustain bone fractures due to bicycling and sporting accidents.

Men are 3-4 times more likely to suffer spinal cord injuries leading to greater levels of disbility.

Men suffer up 11 times as many work-related burns as women.

Men are several times more likely to be injured by machinery.

Men are no more clumsy than women but they are disproportionately represented in occupations and leisure activities that carry risk. Despite assertions that men are biologically predisposed to behave carelessly and to risk death, it is far more likely that socialization from an early age is the more potent force.

To date much of the analysis of male behavior has assumed that males are 'hardwired' to be reckless or foolish and that this is part of being male. There is evidence that testosterone levels influence aggression, but this does not explain behavior in young boys or the choices men make when it comes to occupations.

Relatively little attention has focused on the powerful influence of social pressure and gender expectation when it comes to being male. Contrast this with women where social influences on young women have become highly focused (e.g. body shape and eating disorders). Perhaps it is time to position young men as much as the victims of social forces as it is women?

and from a link at the end of the article

http://menshealth.about.com/od/work/a/men_accidents.htm

Men More at Risk from Accidental Death

Injuries represent one of the leading causes of death throughout the world. In the US accidents claim more than 90,000 deaths each year and it is men are far more likely to die as a result of an accident than women.

Those at most risk are teens and men between the ages of 15 and 24 yrs of age, although in the US the risks are still high up to the age of 35. In the 15 to 24 year age group there are over 4 male deaths for every one female death because of accidents.

In 2001 statistics we can see the disproportionate rate of male female deaths in these examples
Accidental drowning deaths- men 1.8 per 100,000, women 0.5 per 100,000

Deaths from accidental discharge of firearms- men 0.15 per 100,000, women 0.1 per 100,000

Deaths from fall injury- men 7.2 per 100,000, women 3.9 per 100,000

Men are three times as likely as women to be killed in motor vehicle accidents

Men over the age of 65 years are twice as likely as women to be killed in motor vehicle accidents

Men in the over 75 age group are twice as likely as women to die as a result of an accident even though women considerably outnumber men in this age group.

Men are more likely to suffer head injuries

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Most car crashes are also with male drivers. I suppose women are more careful.
I highly doubt that this is true. I bet it's within 5% which hardly qualifies as "most."
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How come male cyclists seem to get run over more than women cyclists? I know theres alot more men cyclists but it seems you rarely hear of a women cyclist getting run down and killed. Also the same is true with pedestrians, I mean most pedestrians you hear about getting run down are men lol
It's because of men who ride like JoeyBike. With the exclusion of JoeyBike who has managed to get lucky for a very long time. Sadly even safe riders get hit.

More men do ride. And it gets even worse when the weather gets bad. I think the simple answer is that men are less affected by, or experience less, fear of cycling in general so they put themselves in more dangerous positions.
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It's because of men who ride like JoeyBike. With the exclusion of JoeyBike who has managed to get lucky for a very long time. Sadly even safe riders get hit.

More men do ride. And it gets even worse when the weather gets bad. I think the simple answer is that men are less affected by, or experience less, fear of cycling in general so they put themselves in more dangerous positions.
At least in my experience, more men ride bikes than women - and I think most people will probably have a similar experience. They also tend to ride more than women who ride. As for this dangerous riding by men, my third observation is that men are more likely than women to ride in the road... almost every lady I know keeps her bicycle for riding on paths or around campus - most of the people I see riding in traffic are guys.

Just an observation, but I think it's partially the root cause of this. If you don't ride in traffic (or on the sidewalk) it's pretty hard to get hit by a car.
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Most car crashes are also with male drivers. I suppose women are more careful.
Unlikely. A study using even sample groups of men and women does not necessarily account for actual time spent driving. Consider also that when a man and woman are riding in a car together the man is much more likely to be driving.

With cyclists, I see a lot more men. This time of year, even fewer women cyclists.
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Just an observation, but I think it's partially the root cause of this. If you don't ride in traffic (or on the sidewalk) it's pretty hard to get hit by a car.
Your observation runs counter to the dogmatic safety advice offered by oh so many self appointed experts and would be educators on BF who declare that cycling on the sidewalk or an off road path is always less safe than cycling in traffic.
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Your observation runs counter to the dogmatic safety advice offered by oh so many self appointed experts and would be educators on BF who declare that cycling on the sidewalk or an off road path is always less safe than cycling in traffic.
No it doesn't. Cycling on a sidewalk he cited as dangerous and cycling on a path is more likely to lead to injury and far less likely to lead to death. We're only talking about death.
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No it doesn't. Cycling on a sidewalk he cited as dangerous and cycling on a path is more likely to lead to injury and far less likely to lead to death. We're only talking about death.
Oh yes I forgot - the JF Brand Data Set used for making claims about "Dangerous Cycling." Wacky Risk Analysis that equates any and all injuries, no matter how slight, as equivalent with death and dismemberment. Also useful for making off the cuff claims about what is "likely" since such careless analysis of skimpy accident data completely ignores the frequency/exposure of cyclists to the various types of exposure.
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Oh yes I forgot - the JF Brand Data Set used for making claims about "Dangerous Cycling." Wacky Risk Analysis that equates any and all injuries, no matter how slight, as equivalent with death and dismemberment. Also useful for making off the cuff claims about what is "likely" since such careless analysis of skimpy accident data completely ignores the frequency/exposure of cyclists to the various types of exposure.
I have no idea what you're talking about. I seriously doubt that you've found a study which equates slight injuries (which ended up in the ER) with death. Methinks you're exaggerating.
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I have no idea what you're talking about. I seriously doubt that you've found a study which equates slight injuries (which ended up in the ER) with death. Methinks you're exaggerating.
Ya think so? Can you point to any reference to the "studies" supporting the post about the alleged "likely" danger, or elevated "crash rates", to cyclists who choose alternatives to riding in the street? Any of them measure, compare, or even record the type or severity (or even existence) of the injuries at all?

Perhaps you are not familiar with the JF Brand of the risk analysis "studies" supporting the VCers claims about the "likely" relative dangers of bike facilities vice cycling on the road. Perhaps you are not familiar with the JF Brand of the risk analysis "studies" supporting the VCers claims about the reduced "crash rates" for those "likely" to be Vehicular Cyclists riding in the street.
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