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    Los Altos Hills, Ca installs illegal NO BIKES stencil on El Monte Road.


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    These people have stepped over the line.


    They can't prohibit you from walking there, so equally they can't prohibit you from operating a human powered vehicle there.
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    I don't think it will last, hopefully it was someone who was uninformed but with good intentions, if it is not repealed it will be un-enforaceble anyhow

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    What good intentions would those be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rotharpunc View Post
    I don't think it will last, hopefully it was someone who was uninformed but with good intentions, if it is not repealed it will be un-enforaceble anyhow
    We can ignore the sign, which is what I would do, but I am extremely concerned about motorist perception and our financial recovery rights in the event of a mishap. The LAH traffic engineer and city council need to be told about what happened to the City of Dana Point when they tried to ban bikes from Pacific Coast Highway 101.
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    Quote Originally Posted by murphstahoe View Post
    What good intentions would those be?
    Promoting faster traffic flow on a winding road with blind curves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by murphstahoe View Post
    What good intentions would those be?
    I just don't think many people understand bikes as much more then toys

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    Quote Originally Posted by John E View Post
    Promoting faster traffic flow on a winding road with blind curves.
    winding roads with blind curves should have slower traffic flow, not faster, even if bikes did not exist.

    the short shoulder section of El Monte is roughly a quarter mile long and is moderately downhill. It is not a commute route, most cyclists on El Monte have descended Moody Road after climbing 900+ feet of steep gradients or the rolling pitches on Elena - the type of cyclist that will ride a moderate downhill at 20 MPH+

    This section of road then ends with a traffic light at the college entrance, followed by another traffic light shortly thereafter.

    A vehicle that encounters a cyclist at the start of this stretch and cannot pass, would be delayed roughly 20 seconds, and the majority of the time those seconds lost would be moot as the car would be delayed by a red light anyway, assuming the car is obeying the 35 MPH speed limit.

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    Seems like $1.25 worth of black spraypaint over the word NO would solve the problem pretty quickly...

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    Which particular law is being broken?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gcottay View Post
    Which particular law is being broken?
    The law that states that all cyclists have all the rights and responsibilities of cars and can use all roads EXCEPT for controlled access freeways. That road is not a controlled access freeway, therefore, cyclists can ride on that road and it is illegal to do exactly what the story said happened.
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    What's frightening is how coherent Hickey was in posting that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gcottay View Post
    Which particular law is being broken?
    As noted in the link "The only places bicycles can be prohibited are freeways (CVC 21960) and clearly this road is not that."

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    Quote Originally Posted by murphstahoe View Post
    winding roads with blind curves should have slower traffic flow, not faster, even if bikes did not exist. ...
    True -- I guess my sarcasm needed an emoticon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gcottay View Post
    Which particular law is being broken?
    Bingo! If a law enforcement officer stops you, he/she must cite chapter and verse from the CVC. That in itself should prove interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John E View Post
    Bingo! If a law enforcement officer stops you, he/she must cite chapter and verse from the CVC. That in itself should prove interesting.
    And which particular law requires that the officer do this?

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    Ha Ha.

    If I lived there, I would start ignoring that stencil immediately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John E View Post
    Bingo! If a law enforcement officer stops you, he/she must cite chapter and verse from the CVC. That in itself should prove interesting.
    Most states have a law that says something like you must obey all Traffic Control Devices, signs and notices...
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    You guys should peacefully protest by riding up and down that hill. As for me, I'd start rollerskiing up and down that hill if I lived there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kuan View Post
    You guys should peacefully protest by riding up and down that hill. As for me, I'd start rollerskiing up and down that hill if I lived there.
    I'll peacefully protest by saying that the sign says "Bikes no" which makes little grammatical sense so if anyone stops me I'll say it looked like a sign made by some teenagers and will continue riding on the road at least until that sign is fixed to say "No bikes", then after that I will still ride and if someone stops me I will say that I have every right to be on this road. Of course it would be a lot better if a group of at least 20 can be gathered together to do this...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kuan View Post
    You guys should peacefully protest by riding up and down that hill. As for me, I'd start rollerskiing up and down that hill if I lived there.
    What it really needs is a bunch of people on unicycles, tricycles and pedal cars ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougmc View Post
    What it really needs is a bunch of people on unicycles, tricycles and pedal cars ...
    Horse and buggy too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Human Car View Post
    Most states have a law that says something like you must obey all Traffic Control Devices, signs and notices...
    Wow, cool, so if I went out and stenciled NO CARS on various local streets... do you think the drivers wouldn't go there?

    The fact is there is no indication that said sign is legal... and since cyclists have rights to all other similar roads... this is probably just a local that got fed up and took matters into their own hands.

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    See if there's such a sign in the DMV booklet. Nope. Must be some prank.

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    I think someplace needs a Critical Mass.

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