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Old 12-18-08, 12:51 AM   #1
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The 1 Mile Solution Initiative

Carbon Trace (a blogger from my Local Cyclist network) has put up an idea on change.org (obama's internet transition thing). The basic premise behind the 1 Mile Solution is that 28% of trips in the US are less than 1 mile. These short trips could realistically could be made by foot or bicycle and would have a huge environmental and health impact.

1MS is a great initiative that I think we could all get behind. I would encourage you to read over CT's idea http://isocrates.us/bike/2008/12/the...soultion-vote/.

Voting for this initiative takes a few seconds at this link http://www.change.org/ideas/view/the_1-mile_solution .
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Old 12-18-08, 11:49 AM   #2
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28% of trips are less than one mile.

The average trip is six miles, IIRC.
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Its true that most trips in this country are short enough to be made by bike. And lots of cyclist do make longer commutes by bike. The reason that I like 1MS as a concept though is that can hit a much broader demographic than just cyclists. Part of the appeal of the idea is that it does not require a decent bike/gear getting sweaty and having a place to change. Instead its targeting trips that any one could be made as conveniently by foot or by bike.
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Carbon Trace (a blogger from my Local Cyclist network) has put up an idea on change.org (obama's internet transition thing). The basic premise behind the 1 Mile Solution is that 28% of trips in the US are less than 1 mile. These short trips could realistically could be made by foot or bicycle and would have a huge environmental and health impact.

1MS is a great initiative that I think we could all get behind. I would encourage you to read over CT's idea http://isocrates.us/bike/2008/12/the...soultion-vote/.

Voting for this initiative takes a few seconds at this link http://www.change.org/ideas/view/the_1-mile_solution .
That's good for the enviornment and your health, but it's bad for the economy.
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Why would you NOT walk such a short distance? Cars are so much hassle...
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That's good for the enviornment and your health, but it's bad for the economy.
Only if the economy is based on non sustainable things... in which case, the economy had better change...
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That's good for the enviornment and your health, but it's bad for the economy.
There are a great many things more important than the economy.
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That's good for the enviornment and your health, but it's bad for the economy.
I don't believe that driving less is bad for the economy. The number of cars will remain the same since we're only talking about eliminating 1 mile drives but less money spent on gas means more money available to spend on other things. Fewer miles driven means less money spent on road maintenance. Fewer cars on the road means we spend less time in traffic and more time for other activities which usually translates to making more money or spending more money.
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i hate cars especialy mine and whats even worse is that its winter and i dont have any winter riding gear and work is less that 3 miles away and even in the summer when i did ride to work my mom would always ***** about how i was gona get hit and i was like god so what then start a fund in my name! anyways thats good for u that you are riding short trips i loved riding to work cuz i would feel amazing when i got there instead of like ****.
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I got relatives who won't walk 100 meters with their kids to the bus stop.
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I got relatives who won't walk 100 meters with their kids to the bus stop.
I have seen people crank an infernal combustion engine for distances shorter than that! Also see them park an idling car at the end of the driveway to keep the kiddies warm

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That's good for the enviornment and your health, but it's bad for the economy.
Is that "bad for the economy" because the money saved gets burned in a furnace, or is it actually good for the economy because the money stays in the USA instead of going largely to the middle east oil exporters?

The money not sent to the middle east can be spent on other 'consumer' items, for example, coffee, that kind of thing helps local economies in my opinion.

What am I missing?
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How do you actually vote when you get to Change.org? I click on the blue box that says "25"
Vote
and nothing happens.
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Why would you NOT walk such a short distance? Cars are so much hassle...
30 minute lunch.
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when you get to change.org, first you need to sign in top right takes a couple seconds, then click the blue vote box it should turn red and say voted.
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28% of trips are less than one mile.

The average trip is six miles, IIRC.

It would be nice to see a probability distribution of trips (stat guy here, obvioiusly).

That being said, there is not an exact correspondence between the length of a trip and its ability to be replaced by a bike or shanks mare. It is about 1 mile to my Grocery store, walmart, and smaller allied stores. It is not convenient, practical, or particularly safe for me to shop for groceries, household items, and perhaps other valuables by bike, especially in these winter months.

We can economize and reduce car use by REDUCING THE NUMBER OF TRIPS I make to the stores by car---once a week, or so---instead of hopping in the car for every darn thing folks decide they need at the last moment.


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Why would you NOT walk such a short distance? Cars are so much hassle...


Well, my car is not a hassle. Between buying it used at a good price, proper and routine maintenance, and making sure I minimize by trips by combining tasks (shopping etc), its cost is well worth it.

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It would be nice to see a probability distribution of trips (stat guy here, obvioiusly).

That being said, there is not an exact correspondence between the length of a trip and its ability to be replaced by a bike or shanks mare. It is about 1 mile to my Grocery store, walmart, and smaller allied stores. It is not convenient, practical, or particularly safe for me to shop for groceries, household items, and perhaps other valuables by bike, especially in these winter months.

We can economize and reduce car use by REDUCING THE NUMBER OF TRIPS I make to the stores by car---once a week, or so---instead of hopping in the car for every darn thing folks decide they need at the last moment.


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On the other hand my local grocery is about 1.5 miles away and my wife and I have been walking the dog over 3 miles in the morning... recently we started walking toward the grocery store and picking up any little thing that may be on the larger grocery list... the other day it was a 1/2 gallon of milk and a 1/2 gallon of orange juice and some broccoli... no big deal to carry for mile and a half, and a bit of an upper body workout too. So the wife, dog and I all gained the benefit of exercise from the walk; the economy was exercised by the shopping; and the atmosphere was saved by not using the car to do that trip.

But the real question is, is this sort of thing in everyone's reality that might be within a mile or so distance of the store? I really don't think so... most folks would simply drive to the store... no matter how nice the day and how small the item they were retrieving. That is the attitude that needs to change.
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I have a 30 minute lunch break, though I try to walk it, I am conviently in the heart of Encinitas and there is a lot of decent food within a half a mile.

Walking a mile is definitely pushing it, I got lost (unfamiliar with the area) and did about a mile out before turning around, there goes my lunch break, and now I'm even more hungry.

Just saying a mile is a little fantasy based.
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Cars must be unlocked, got into, started, driven there, including waiting in traffic, at lights etc, driven up and down looking for smewhere to park, parked, got out of, locked, then you must walk from where you parked it, and back again, and then go through the same procedure on the way home. Then you must make an extra trip to buy fuel now and then.

Alternatively, you could walk...

I don't buy the idea that you have to take the car because it's winter, or you need to carry stuff back home. Get a coat and gloves and a pair of panniers.
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Cars must be unlocked, got into, started, driven there, including waiting in traffic, at lights etc, driven up and down looking for smewhere to park, parked, got out of, locked, then you must walk from where you parked it, and back again, and then go through the same procedure on the way home. Then you must make an extra trip to buy fuel now and then.

Alternatively, you could walk...

I don't buy the idea that you have to take the car because it's winter, or you need to carry stuff back home. Get a coat and gloves and a pair of panniers.
Except I've done the mile on foot, and unless you're a complete fool, getting in and starting the car is less than a 30 second ordeal, and unless you're a complete lazy ass, you can find parking anywhere rather quickly, it's people who MUST find a close space to be a major issue.

Do you wear Velcro because tying your shoes is too much hassle?


I can buy that it's healthier, I can buy that people should do it just because it isn't a huge deal, but:
1) Under certain time constraints it isn't practical, especially being as lots of people don't get paid lunch breaks, so you're asking them to throw away more money to work harder to get somewhere. Fight for paid 60 minute lunch breaks, I'll fully support this.
2) You're making it to be something that is a monumental task, that even some of the most brain damaged people I know seem to be able to figure it out. Mainly I know you're just skewing this heavily because your biased, but it looks ridiculous, stop it.
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I can buy that it's healthier, I can buy that people should do it just because it isn't a huge deal, but:
1) Under certain time constraints it isn't practical, especially being as lots of people don't get paid lunch breaks, so you're asking them to throw away more money to work harder to get somewhere. Fight for paid 60 minute lunch breaks, I'll fully support this.

Of course time constraints exist... but the fact is that they don't exist for every minute of the day and yet people still habitually use the car even when they do have the time to walk or ride the bike... that is the key to the issue... think "do I really have to drive" the next time you need to run an errand.

Even when their is plenty of time, folks too often drive just so they can get back to the couch... another "healthy" pastime.
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Of course time constraints exist... but the fact is that they don't exist for every minute of the day and yet people still habitually use the car even when they do have the time to walk or ride the bike... that is the key to the issue... think "do I really have to drive" the next time you need to run an errand.

Even when their is plenty of time, folks too often drive just so they can get back to the couch... another "healthy" pastime.
True, I'm just thinking that every time I drive under a mile to get something done I have a major time constraint, I wonder if this is included in the 38% of daily driving.
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Bring lunch to work. Usually cheaper and you get all 30 minutes to relax.

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