Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

Advocacy & Safety Cyclists should expect and demand safe accommodation on every public road, just as do all other users. Discuss your bicycle advocacy and safety concerns here.

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 12-18-08, 09:49 AM   #1
lowbike
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
lowbike's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Chicago
Bikes: Recumbent
Posts: 122
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Rails to Trails support

Hello:
Please take a moment of your time to read and sign this Rails to Trails support petition.

http://support.railstotrails.org/sit...Recovery_to_BP
lowbike is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-18-08, 09:50 AM   #2
kylejack
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Bikes:
Posts: 248
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Houston has some rails-to-trails. I dig them.
kylejack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-18-08, 10:10 AM   #3
buzzman
----
 
buzzman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Newton, MA
Bikes:
Posts: 4,570
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Thanks for the post.

I've ridden many of the rails to trails like the Ashuwillticook, the Norwottuck, the Cape Cod Rail Trail and the Minute Man and found them welcome respites from the road and extremely scenic- and they've gotten me where I wanted to go.

I use the Ashuwillticook as part of an 80 mile loop up Mount Greylock and I make just as good, if not better, time on it than on Rte. 8 which is my road route

I'll be curious if this thread gets much life in this forum. Posters in A&S seem far more interested in never ending debates on wearing helmets and "taking the lane" than in projects that might actually improve the cycling environment.- sorry to be such a cynic maybe I'll be proven wrong.
buzzman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-18-08, 10:17 AM   #4
mountbkr
Woody
 
mountbkr's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Easton
Bikes: Serotta/ Cannondale
Posts: 57
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I support my local rails to trails . I often wonder as I ride zig zag pattern around the human obstacles that wear head phones walking the trails do the same? RAnt
mountbkr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-18-08, 10:42 AM   #5
buzzman
----
 
buzzman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Newton, MA
Bikes:
Posts: 4,570
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by mountbkr View Post
I support my local rails to trails . I often wonder as I ride zig zag pattern around the human obstacles that wear head phones walking the trails do the same? RAnt
Rails to Trails are a success and therefore popular. The downside, of course, is that faster moving cyclists can have varying degrees of frustration when using the trails.

Solutions include:

1) Build more trails. Right now the limited # of trails means lots of people travel, often by car, vast distances to use a few trails that are on average only 3- 15 miles long and they do this all on the same sunny, warm weekend.

2) Use the trails at off hours or in less than ideal weather. Early mornings can be great. Mid-week is great. For the less faint of heart nighttime riding on a rail to trail can be fantastic- watch for animals crossing! A drop of rain, a gust of wind, an overcast sky can clear a bike path like yelling "fire" in a crowded theater.

I've ridden the Cape Cod Rail Trail as part of an annual Provincetown loop I do every Memorial Day Weekend. About mid-day, in good weather, sections of the trail get real crowded (around Nickerson Park). I make an attitudinal adjustment, slow my pace and carefully negotiate my way through the masses. If it's too much I could always opt to ride with the equally insane Cape Cod traffic on Rt. 6 or 6A- but it's never been bad enough for me to take that option.
buzzman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-18-08, 11:17 AM   #6
Denny Koll
Senior Member
 
Denny Koll's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Bikes:
Posts: 852
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Great thread.

I signed and I support my local trails.
Denny Koll is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-18-08, 11:46 AM   #7
MrCjolsen
Senior Member
 
MrCjolsen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Davis CA
Bikes: Surly Cross-Check, '85 Giant road bike (unrecogizable fixed-gear conversion
Posts: 3,957
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
How about using the rails to run passenger trains?
MrCjolsen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-18-08, 12:39 PM   #8
buzzman
----
 
buzzman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Newton, MA
Bikes:
Posts: 4,570
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrCjolsen View Post
How about using the rails to run passenger trains?
I'm with you and so is the Rails to Trails conservancy. Rails to Trails often use abandoned rail pathways that would not be possible to return to it's original purpose. Those trails that are created on rail beds that have potential re-use for rail transit are preserved by converting them to bike paths and maintaining those rights of way that could offer a railway alternative should it be desired in the future.

You would be hard pressed to find many mass transit opponents among the Rails to Trails advocates.

I suggest you visit their web site.

You might be interested in the Rails with Trails concept. Where the bike path runs alongside existing rail lines so that cyclists have the option of stopping at a station and boarding the train (with the bike or leave it at the station).
buzzman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-19-08, 10:38 AM   #9
The Human Car
-=Barry=-
 
The Human Car's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Baltimore, MD +/- ~100 miles
Bikes:
Posts: 4,077
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrCjolsen View Post
How about using the rails to run passenger trains?
Rails to Trails spoke here recently and one initiative that they are trying to push is joint use, that is a trail and a rail line side by side. It's a cool concept, one that I hope to hear more people adopting in the future.
__________________
Cycling Advocate
http://BaltimoreSpokes.org
. . . o
. . /L
=()>()
The Human Car is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-19-08, 03:07 PM   #10
Elkhound
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Charleston, WV
Bikes: Trek Mountaineer modified with a NuVinci; Montegue Paratrooper folding mountain bike; Greenspeed recumbent; Surly Big Dummy with Stokemonkey
Posts: 1,768
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I agree. Charleston is something of a railway hub, with lots of old abandoned or semiabandoned lines that used to serve the area coal mines; many of the lines that are still active once had more sets of rails than they do now; you can see that the railbed is at least twice what is necessary for the still active lines. Hence, to run a bike/ped path on the unused portion of the railbed would be relatively easy.
Elkhound is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-23-08, 01:29 PM   #11
Feldman
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Bikes:
Posts: 863
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrCjolsen View Post
How about using the rails to run passenger trains?
The reason I do not support Rails to Trails.
Feldman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-23-08, 02:04 PM   #12
Elkhound
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Charleston, WV
Bikes: Trek Mountaineer modified with a NuVinci; Montegue Paratrooper folding mountain bike; Greenspeed recumbent; Surly Big Dummy with Stokemonkey
Posts: 1,768
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Feldman View Post
The reason I do not support Rails to Trails.
Part of the purpose of Rails to Trails is to use the rail corridors for SOMETHING. Usually the land is deeded to the railroad on the condition that it be used for transportation; once it is abandoned, it reverts to the owner and is lost forever as a transportation corridor. Using the corridor as a trail is that it can be preserved as such and if ever needed for trains the rails can be re-layed. It is called "railbanking," and here is a more fulsome explanation: http://www.americantrails.org/resour...lbankwhat.html

Rails to Trails does not seek to convert active rail corridors to trails; it seeks to preserve abandoned corridors by using them for bicycle/pedestrian/equestrian trails against future need.
Elkhound is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-23-08, 02:27 PM   #13
Santaria
Senior Member
 
Santaria's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Brownsville, TX
Bikes: Surly CC
Posts: 2,179
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I have only lived here in Brownsville now for like a month. One of the first negatives I heard from co-workers here was that it was ill-advised to commute via bike. There is a larger than normal ratio of bike-related deaths due to drunk drivers, etc.

I was really upset, until I found out about the rails to trails program here. Apparently when they tore out the North-to-South rail line, they replaced it by paving it into a two-lane bike path that travels literally behind my backyard all the way to the block across from my work. Needless to say, I use that trail every single day now and really appreciate it. I get off work late, and riding at 11 p.m. on streets that are narrow, combined with the way people drive here had me VERY edgy.

+1 for the initiative, and I hope they continue to adapt abandoned rail lines into productive trails for bikes AND pedestrians.
Santaria is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-23-08, 02:42 PM   #14
kenkayak
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Phippsburg,Me.
Bikes: Trek 7300/cannondale mountain bike
Posts: 621
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
There are rails to trails in Maine in very nice locations I hope thay servive developement./Kenkayak
kenkayak is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-23-08, 02:52 PM   #15
Elkhound
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Charleston, WV
Bikes: Trek Mountaineer modified with a NuVinci; Montegue Paratrooper folding mountain bike; Greenspeed recumbent; Surly Big Dummy with Stokemonkey
Posts: 1,768
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Santaria View Post
I have only lived here in Brownsville now for like a month. One of the first negatives I heard from co-workers here was that it was ill-advised to commute via bike. There is a larger than normal ratio of bike-related deaths due to drunk drivers, etc.

I was really upset, until I found out about the rails to trails program here. Apparently when they tore out the North-to-South rail line, they replaced it by paving it into a two-lane bike path that travels literally behind my backyard all the way to the block across from my work. Needless to say, I use that trail every single day now and really appreciate it. I get off work late, and riding at 11 p.m. on streets that are narrow, combined with the way people drive here had me VERY edgy.

+1 for the initiative, and I hope they continue to adapt abandoned rail lines into productive trails for bikes AND pedestrians.
An excellent example; if it hadn't been so converted, developers would have built over it and if there were ever any need for it again as a rail line it would have been difficult, if not impossible, to rebuild it. Now, on the other hand, if they ever need to reactivate the line it will be (relatively) simple to re-lay the tracks.

It is interesting, though, that your trail is not listed on the Rails to Trails Conservancy's database: http://www.traillink.com/TrailSearch...wnsville&sp=N; it shows several such trails in Texas, but none in Brownsville.
Elkhound is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-23-08, 04:12 PM   #16
Santaria
Senior Member
 
Santaria's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Brownsville, TX
Bikes: Surly CC
Posts: 2,179
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I noticed that too when I looked at the database.

I did some digging around the newsroom (obviously a great source for historical data) and nobody seems to know what entity (beyond the city and county) worked on the project.

Someone DID however give me a map associated with the trail that shows all the historic battlegrounds associated with the route. My conclusion that it had to be a railroad line (before I even asked around) was that the path runs between commercial builds which all seem to have abandon railroad and docks. There isn't enough room for an actual road between them, only this path. Also, they bridges are still intact along the route, and they're very aged and 'railroad-ish.'

I'm not sure they could easily be retracked either, because they've paved this 10-12 foot pathway.


Resaca de palma is one of the historic civil war era battlefields that this pathway crosses through.

On another interesting note here, they've actually built most of the major roads here that run east and west with bike lanes. I'm very curious where the city is going with this, and will keep people informed.
Santaria is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-23-08, 09:12 PM   #17
Elkhound
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Charleston, WV
Bikes: Trek Mountaineer modified with a NuVinci; Montegue Paratrooper folding mountain bike; Greenspeed recumbent; Surly Big Dummy with Stokemonkey
Posts: 1,768
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Santaria View Post
I noticed that too when I looked at the database.

I did some digging around the newsroom (obviously a great source for historical data) and nobody seems to know what entity (beyond the city and county) worked on the project.
Do you know if there is a name for this trail?

Quote:
I'm not sure they could easily be retracked either, because they've paved this 10-12 foot pathway.
Actually, it wouldn't be that hard (relatively speaking) to tear up the paving, drop ballast on the right of way, and put tracks on top. It would take some doing, and would be expensive, but it would be quite possibly. (Most of the men on my mother's side of the family were with the old Nickelplate & Virginia Line, and I absorbed quite a bit of railway lore growing up.)
Elkhound is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 07:34 AM.