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    Would You Run this Red ?

    55 Mph Speed Limit.

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    I wouldn't, but then I don't run red lights unless my presense doesn't cause them to change.

    You're free to do what you want to do, but I'm of the mindset that if I want the same rights as the cagers out there I'll abide by their laws. Which means that since I wouldn't run it in a car (would you??) then I won't on a bike.

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    Depends on traffic. But probably, at times, if the traffic is light and/or my bike doesn't trigger the light well. OTOH, if there is significant traffic, then no, probably not.
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    If the sensor didn't work, it would have to be extra clear, then I might. I might also dismount and walk it to the left.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dchiefransom View Post
    If the sensor didn't work, it would have to be extra clear, then I might. I might also dismount and walk it to the left.
    The sensor Never works for Bikes.
    There is No Crosswalk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 10 Wheels View Post
    The sensor Never works for Bikes.
    There is No Crosswalk.
    Walking is faster and straight to the left, plus a ticket as a pedestrian might cost less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dchiefransom View Post
    Walking is faster and straight to the left, plus a ticket as a pedestrian might cost less.
    You would be walking on 55 mph highway.

    We run it every time..

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    Shame, shame!
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    Shame, shame if you have not reported the problem multiple times to your local traffic engineer. Carry a copy of this correspondence, in case you ever do get harrassed by law enforcement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John E View Post
    Shame, shame if you have not reported the problem multiple times to your local traffic engineer. Carry a copy of this correspondence, in case you ever do get harrassed by law enforcement.
    The State Police Has an office on the left side of this intersection.
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    I have a very similar light on my way to work: a left-turn with an arrow, and I have not been able to trigger the green arrow with my bike.

    I wouldn't feel comfortable riding right through the light, since it's 55-mph, 4-lane, and divided.

    I stop for the red light and wait for one green cycle (on the straight lane) for a car to come up and trigger the green. If no car comes along by the second green I turn left once it's clear.


    Does your oncoming straight lane never turn red, does it only turn red when someone's making a left? Me, I wouldn't blow through the light, but I would turn through it after waiting a little bit.

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    Does your oncoming straight lane never turn red?
    Yes, the traffic was very heavy, so we didn't want to be sitting ducks waiting for something to Happen..
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    Every situation is different, but in this case it looks like it would be borderline suicidal to sit there in traffic.
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    Yeah, you're pretty out in the open there; I have the advantage of the lane divider to wait next to.

    I think I'd run it, but I'd be pretty careful and I think I'd be more likely to treat it as a stop sign than to just blow through it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 10 Wheels View Post
    The sensor Never works for Bikes.
    There is No Crosswalk.
    I don't know about texas, but in California that might be concidered an 'unmarked crosswalk". so doing the dismount ped thing would be legal. But I assume there is no push button for ped so that probably wouldn't work either.

    Would call the public works department and telling them that the signal doesn't trip for bike do any good or just get laughter from the person at the other end.

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    Jeezuz now you have photographic evidence of all you guys commiting a moving violation. Not to mention some hater will use it to spread more hate.

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    If the signal won't trip for a bicycle then it is, by definition, defective.

    I would stop, wait an appropriate time to ensure that the sensor loop was, in fact defective, and then I would proceed when it was safe to do so - just like I would if I was driving my car.

    I would not characterize this as "running" a light.

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    Hang out in 55mph traffic ?!?!
    Yeah right........

    I wouldnt think twice about running it.
    My safety comes first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 10 Wheels View Post
    It looks like cyclist #2 (black shorts, silver & red jersey) is commited to cutting his left awfully close in front of the oncoming truck if it is actually going 55 mph. It also looks like the rider on his right, and the one behind him, probably had to wait for the truck to pass. If this is truly the case, and all riders couldn't safely make the turn, it's probably better for all to wait. Seeing two riders cut a last second left, and wondering if the others are going to follow, wouldn't appear very predictable from the drivers perspective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lot's Knife View Post
    Every situation is different, but in this case it looks like it would be borderline suicidal to sit there in traffic.

    How is it any different than being on a motorcycle or a car at that same light? I'd think you were pretty visible stopped at that light. If the bicycle doesn't trigger the light is it on any other automatic cycle that would change it?

    How are you at any greater risk stopped at that light than riding on that road by "taking the lane" and riding vehicularly?

    All that being said I really can't say what I'd do at that light. Especially given that it is not triggered by the bike's presence. If the OP rides that road all the time and he runs it I'd be inclined to trust his judgement.

    edit: though on second look if I were that guy on the trike I'd stop before I followed the other 3 cyclists through the red for fear I'd end up as a part of the undercarriage of that oncoming truck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by buzzman View Post
    How are you at any greater risk stopped at that light than riding on that road by "taking the lane" and riding vehicularly?
    You're not. Being in a designated left turn lane means that the only traffic entering that lane will also be preparing to turn, and/or stopping for the red light.
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    Cars, motorcycles, bicycles get rear-ended all the time. So you're right: It's not different.
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    That looks like a pretty nasty place to sit and wait. If there were cars coming, I'd be inclined to wait for the light. If it were dark, though, I'd probably want to get the hell out of there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlmostTrick View Post
    You're not. Being in a designated left turn lane means that the only traffic entering that lane will also be preparing to turn, and/or stopping for the red light.
    I'm with you on that one. And BTW your assessment of the photo in your previous post seems pretty right on to me as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lot'sKnife
    Cars, motorcycles, bicycles get rear-ended all the time. So you're right: It's not different.
    I definitely take the possibility of being struck from behind as a distinct possibility but as we are often reminded in A & S that come from behind collisions are statistically a small percentage of overall bike accidents- though catastrophic when they do occur.

    I think the cyclists are in more danger running the red from the oncoming vehicle that, as Almost Trick rightly points out, may be confused by seeing a green light and several cyclists running it and not knowing if those last few will run it or not. Kind of a bad chemistry for an accident. The lead cyclist should recognize that running the light may split the group and were I in the lead I would have stopped. On group rides often the less experienced and more exhausted riders are at the back of the group and might be inclined to make a wrong decision in such circumstances.

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