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    So, how many of you "anti-car" nuts are parents?

    Just out of curiosity, how many of you folks that think cars are evil and should never be used have kids?

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    I don't have kids, nor do I think cars are evil, just WAY overused. Here's a pic of some parents, at least one of whom are car haters, I'm sure... pic from http://bikeportland.org
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    I'm guessing you think it's impossible to be car free AND have children????
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    Even tho society forces us to have a car.. And we normally have two cars. I still consider cars the cause of many of our anxieties. Why is being critical of the car culture nuts.. Being car lite helps to make one less nuts, not more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LesterOfPuppets View Post
    I'm guessing you think it's impossible to be car free AND have children????
    I didn't say that. Just curious.

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    Oh, by the way, that pic was from a http://www.kidicalmass.org/ event. Hopefully they will help show that being an "anti-car nut" and having a family are not necessarily mutually exclusive.
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    I have a very soft spot for the nutters, that wasn't a jab at them even if I think they're a wee bit off their rockers. I'm genuinely curious.

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    Don't you think the word nutters a bit pejorative, of people you really don't know... To make such an assessment one need be a forensic psychiatrist... From what I see, I'd say far more motorists are off their rocker, compared to non motorists... It's few cyclists, who act so stressed ; as so many motorists, who are behind the wheel of their 2 ton killing machine.
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    I suspect, on first glance at the title that this is a piece of trollduggery as I doubt that ALL of us are anti-car nuts anyway. You try moving to a new house with a bike and not everybody bikes across the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anogar View Post
    Just out of curiosity, how many of you folks that think cars are evil and should never be used have kids?
    I still think some of of my generation here shouldn't even HAVE kids. By the way, is there a college survey on the site or a paper being written?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anogar View Post
    I have a very soft spot for the nutters, that wasn't a jab at them even if I think they're a wee bit off their rockers. I'm genuinely curious.
    I abhor cars an have bred. Fortunately, my offspring thinks like I do.
    Who do you think the world needs more of ?
    Personally, I believe after experiencing what mass worship and deification of the car
    and auto-centric kulture has done to society, I think ones a 'wee bit off their rockers'
    to make any apologies for them at all.

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    I say live and let live. Some just can't seem to fathom other's not adhering to another' s mind set.
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    In Japan I didn't have a car and hauled my son to preschool and whatnot by bicycle. But in most of the usa it would be very limiting to not have a car. The public transit system here sucks and not having a car would just make one's world way too small. (allow me to make my argument once again: it is the lack of a good train/subway system that keeps bike ridership low in the usa, not the lack of bike advocacy or bike "infrastructure").

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyclezealot View Post
    I say live and let live. Some just can't seem to fathom other's not adhering to another' s mind set.
    I work on race cars to pay the rent here, CZ, so my ranting about cars is
    only confined to related threads on various bike forums ...
    It would fall on deaf ears(literally and figuratively) here in the place
    where your car determines your evolutionary rating or hierarchy on the Caste' system.

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    I am basically with Lem...but not quite to the abhor level I have two children, now grown and on their own. My son lives car free in the UK. Daughter lives car light near Seattle. Both grew up in a car light family. Dad seldom drove, we rode bikes every where including dropping them off at school. We went grocery shopping, to the ice cream store, the park and the library on bicycles. They have each made their own choices. Due to the crappy mass transit in this country, it is nearly impossible to live car free in many locales. The area we lived car light in has become less acceptable due to the closing of the 2 closest grocery stores, the dead ending of several roads we used to use and the consolidation of the public library into 2 large branches on the outskirts of town.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wahoonc View Post
    I am basically with Lem...but not quite to the abhor level I have two children, now grown and on their own. My son lives car free in the UK. Daughter lives car light near Seattle. Both grew up in a car light family. Dad seldom drove, we rode bikes every where including dropping them off at school. We went grocery shopping, to the ice cream store, the park and the library on bicycles. They have each made their own choices. Due to the crappy mass transit in this country, it is nearly impossible to live car free in many locales. The area we lived car light in has become less acceptable due to the closing of the 2 closest grocery stores, the dead ending of several roads we used to use and the consolidation of the public library into 2 large branches on the outskirts of town.

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    ^^^^ Yep.
    Sort of a necassary evil. I do have a car but its not tagged/registered or anything.
    Emergency use only.
    It has been my experience that the positive or negative humanity factor of an area
    is directly proportionate to the amount of time people spend in their cars and the
    number of cars using areas infrastructure too, so there are other peripheral ramifications
    of auto genuflectation on society, as well.
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    I'm all for supporting practitioners of car-lite and car-free lifestyles. When I'm not biking you each help free up the roadways for my use that much more.

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    This guy, his wife, and 8 children seem to get by OK on the narrow roads of Lincolnshire.

    Don't know if they're anti-car as much as they're practical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by closetbiker View Post
    This guy, his wife, and 8 children seem to get by OK on the narrow roads of Lincolnshire.

    Don't know if they're anti-car as much as they're practical.

    http://bicycle-diaries.blogspot.com/...gon-train.html
    That was also over 47 years ago! Big change in the number of cars on the roads and the general attitude of motorists. Also from what I have observed in a couple of trips to the UK they have a fairly comprehensive mass transit system. There are literally thousands of towns in the US that have NO access to any type of interstate/intrastate mass transit. They probably did in the past.

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    I hate cars...but I have one. I hate having to work for a living, but I have a job.
    I hate doing yard work, but I have a lawn.

    Sorry, I think the 'nutter' here is the OP.
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    I had been pretty much car free for many years until my son was born... I have been car light since. There are times and things that can be difficult to deal with without a car, in a car based culture.

    BTW I don't hate cars, but I do think that as a society we can do one heck of a lot better for ourselves by embracing both cycling and our own feet as part of our transportation picture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wahoonc View Post
    That was also over 47 years ago! Big change in the number of cars on the roads and the general attitude of motorists. Also from what I have observed in a couple of trips to the UK they have a fairly comprehensive mass transit system. There are literally thousands of towns in the US that have NO access to any type of interstate/intrastate mass transit. They probably did in the past.

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    Personally, I enjoyed the soundtrack as much as the bike riding in the film but it makes you wonder how much the US has "progressed" regarding transportation. Maybe they've gone a little "over-board" in personal transportation choices?

    Other countries aren't as saddled with such self-inflicted problems to such a great degree and can do quite well transporting both themselves by bicycle,

    http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=at2w7J...-band-aid.html

    or themselves with their children.



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    sure, blame the kids!

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    If you're interested in friendly and informative discussions of carfree parenting, try the Living Carfree forum.


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    I think many of us reading this thread are seeing a similar not so subtle implication by the OP that being car-free is fine if you don't have responsibilities like carting children around.

    Well, I am child free and not car-free but I am pretty car-lite. 1 car between my wife and I and it's a Honda Fit, which on a good highway drive gives me 41 mpg and in the city we barely use it.

    If those of you who have children are in need of more of the earth's resources in order to raise your children then by all means go for it to whatever degree your conscience will allow. But those "anti-car nuts" off set the balance a bit so that those children will, hopefully, have the resources they need both now and in the future.

    I wouldn't refer to people who use their cars as "nuts"- if they need a car by all means use it. Nor do I see the person who chooses to be car-free as "nuts". But I can get a bit bent out of shape when I see people abuse the privilege of having an automobile and might be inclined to call them a "car nut" I don't see anything all that nutty or irresponsible about people who choose to not own a car. I appreciate their concern for the planet, their health and their community.

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