Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

Advocacy & Safety Cyclists should expect and demand safe accommodation on every public road, just as do all other users. Discuss your bicycle advocacy and safety concerns here.

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 12-27-08, 06:16 PM   #1
hotbike
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
hotbike's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Long Island, New York
Bikes: a lowrider BMX, a mountain bike, a faired recumbent, and a loaded touring bike
Posts: 2,921
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 27 Post(s)
Boy, 7, Killed When Bicycle Is Hit By Pickup

This accident occurred on a bike path, where the path crosses a road. The crossing has a "railroad track" style pedestrian crossing. I looked it up on Google maps, which now has "street view". I can't believe some of the comments. The crossing is not a blind curve, it has at least 800 to 1000 feet line of sight.

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2008/dec...ecks/#comments

Quote:
"A 7-year-old bicyclist was killed this afternoon when he was hit by a pickup while riding on a bike trail that crosses U.S. Highway 301 north of Stacy Road, according to the Florida Highway Patrol.
Rohan A. Berringer of Zephyrhills was riding with two other bicyclists – his mother and sister –when he rode into the path of a 2002 Ford F-150 about 2:11 p.m., according to investigators. The truck, driven by George D. Thomas, 79, of Thonotosassa, hit the boy, who died at the scene.
Neither Thomas nor his passenger, Mary J. Thomas, 75, also of Thonotosassa, was hurt.
The road was closed for more than two hours as the crash was being investigated.
The incident remains under investigation."
hotbike is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-08, 09:26 PM   #2
Dchiefransom
Senior Member
 
Dchiefransom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Newark, CA. San Francisco Bay Area
Bikes:
Posts: 6,205
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7 Post(s)
I see some people still believe everything is an "accident". Nice site there. Kenny seems to be popular, several people want to meet him in person. A pedestrian crosswalk on a US Highway does sound like a lass than adequate design. The speed limit there might be fairly fast. That might be a good spot for a pedestrian/bicycle bridge.
__________________
Silver Eagle Pilot
Dchiefransom is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-08, 09:27 PM   #3
10 Wheels
Galveston County Texas
 
10 Wheels's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: In The Wind
Bikes: 2010 Expedition, 03 GTO
Posts: 30,096
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 387 Post(s)
Great place to let a 7 y/o cross a highway. NOT
__________________
[SIZE=1][B]What I like about Texas[/B]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGukLuXzH1E

Set F1re To The Ra1n ( NY Night Rain Ride)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7jfcWEkSrI
10 Wheels is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-08, 09:41 PM   #4
Fantasminha
Senior Member
 
Fantasminha's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Reno, NV
Bikes: Giant FCR, Scott CR1 Team, Fuji Newest 3.0
Posts: 402
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
10 Wheels: Who is Ryan and what happened to him?
Fantasminha is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-08, 02:37 AM   #5
lewie
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: fishtown/NE Philly
Bikes:
Posts: 27
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
not many people get ran down during the chrismas season the roads is so icey and whatnot not many people are out biking lol, course he was ran down in florda. the little boy was not lucky. the old mans gone have alot of greef to live with. is that red truck the one that hit him? i guessing the mother is rich now
lewie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-08, 04:45 AM   #6
StrangeWill
Senior Member
 
StrangeWill's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Fallbrook, CA.
Bikes:
Posts: 1,112
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=e...86384414969975
This already provides an interesting perspective. Sun blindness at 2pm could be quite a possibility this late in the season.


Anyway, I don't see this as any real design issues, when people mix things happen, it's sad, but you can't prevent them all, as I see it, you got a decent amount of visibility both ways, as far as sober adults go, this is a trustworthy option for transportation.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dchiefransom View Post
I see some people still believe everything is an "accident". Nice site there. Kenny seems to be popular, several people want to meet him in person. A pedestrian crosswalk on a US Highway does sound like a lass than adequate design. The speed limit there might be fairly fast. That might be a good spot for a pedestrian/bicycle bridge.
Yeah the kid made an error on purpose, it wasn't an accident, right?

<troll mode>

Quote:
Originally Posted by hotbike View Post
This accident occurred on a bike path, where the path crosses a road. The crossing has a "railroad track" style pedestrian crossing. I looked it up on Google maps, which now has "street view". I can't believe some of the comments. The crossing is not a blind curve, it has at least 800 to 1000 feet line of sight.
Lrn2Read, some comments were pointing out reports of other crossings.

</troll mode>

Last edited by StrangeWill; 12-28-08 at 04:53 AM.
StrangeWill is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-08, 06:12 AM   #7
dmac49
Senior Member
 
dmac49's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Outside..somewhere
Bikes: Fuji, Specialized, Cannondale, Columbia
Posts: 433
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I really don't think the driver was out to run some child over that was out on a bike, nor do I think the mother didn't care what her 7 year old was doing. The mother was on a trail with her children for goodness sake. Maybe a barrier across the MUP at the road that would cause someone to stop before entering the highway... who knows. A truly tragic incident. I don't think anyone involved wanted this to happen. A hard look at the design might be in order from the photo.

Last edited by dmac49; 12-28-08 at 06:18 AM.
dmac49 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-08, 06:28 AM   #8
Carusoswi
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Bikes:
Posts: 1,180
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by lewie View Post
i guessing the mother is rich now
You cannot be serious. The mother lost a child - no amount of money will compensate for that loss.

Caruso
Carusoswi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-08, 07:42 AM   #9
JohnBrooking
Commuter
 
JohnBrooking's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Southern Maine
Bikes: 2006 Giant Cypress EX (7-speed internal hub)
Posts: 2,567
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Thanks for the Google link, StrangeWill.

If you "look around" with street view, it looks like there is a stop sign for the bike trail, in both directions, which was my main concern. The sight lines appear okay. To elaborate on Dchiefransom's point, perhaps the design is lacking in that motor traffic speed may be too high to give adequate reaction time and stopping distance to activity on the crosswalk, especially combined with the slow speed at which kids may be crossing the road (comparable to a pedestrian, but without a pedestrian's maneuverability). Of course this is probably not significantly different than many such crossings all over the country. The question is, is it an acceptable level of risk?

Condolences to all, of course.
JohnBrooking is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-08, 07:43 AM   #10
John E
feros ferio
 
John E's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: www.ci.encinitas.ca.us
Bikes: 1959 Capo; 1980 Peugeot PKN-10; 1981 Bianchi; 1988 Schwinn KOM-10;
Posts: 17,299
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 135 Post(s)
I presume and hope there is a stop sign and/or a "cross traffic does not stop" sign on the trail. An unmetered crosswalk can provide a false sense of security to those using it. I presume the speed limit is 50 or 55mph and that is unrealistic to try to lower it, but I would like to know more about typical traffic volumes.
__________________
"Early to bed, early to rise. Work like hell, and advertise." -- George Stahlman
Capo [dschaw'-poe]: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger, S/N 42624
Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
Bianchi: 1981 Campione d'Italia, S/N 1.M9914
Schwinn: 1988 Project KOM-10, S/N F804069
John E is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-08, 08:27 AM   #11
lewie
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: fishtown/NE Philly
Bikes:
Posts: 27
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
alls im saying is shes gone be rich. its reel bad her son passed away an nothings gone replace but i know how lawyers are.
i just hope they put that gap toothed bugger that hit him behind bars for a long time. he lived his life already an now he killed a child
lewie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-08, 10:39 AM   #12
Dchiefransom
Senior Member
 
Dchiefransom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Newark, CA. San Francisco Bay Area
Bikes:
Posts: 6,205
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7 Post(s)
[QUOTE=StrangeWill;8086329


Yeah the kid made an error on purpose, it wasn't an accident, right?

[/QUOTE]

Actually, I was pointing out that people will defend the driver, no matter what the conditions are. In my lifetime I've listened to quite a large number of people state that even if they had plenty of time to stop, they'd just keep on going because they have the right of way. They sometimes laugh when they say it. That's why I don't ascribe to the "he'll have to live with it" line of thought.
__________________
Silver Eagle Pilot

Last edited by Dchiefransom; 12-28-08 at 02:06 PM.
Dchiefransom is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-08, 11:13 AM   #13
cudak888 
www.theheadbadge.com
 
cudak888's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Southern Florida
Bikes: http://www.theheadbadge.com
Posts: 22,746
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by lewie View Post
not many people get ran down during the chrismas season the roads is so icey and whatnot not many people are out biking lol, course he was ran down in florda. the little boy was not lucky. the old mans gone have alot of greef to live with. is that red truck the one that hit him? i guessing the mother is rich now
What an offensive post.

Quote:
Originally Posted by lewie View Post
alls im saying is shes gone be rich. its reel bad her son passed away an nothings gone replace but i know how lawyers are.
i just hope they put that gap toothed bugger that hit him behind bars for a long time. he lived his life already an now he killed a child
As if your previous vulgarity wasn't enough!

-Kurt
__________________
cudak888 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-08, 11:19 AM   #14
10 Wheels
Galveston County Texas
 
10 Wheels's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: In The Wind
Bikes: 2010 Expedition, 03 GTO
Posts: 30,096
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 387 Post(s)
Up Date:
The boy was 20 feet behind his Mom and sister trying to catch up with them.

http://www.tbo.com/video/xml/MGBG16KP7PF.html
__________________
[SIZE=1][B]What I like about Texas[/B]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGukLuXzH1E

Set F1re To The Ra1n ( NY Night Rain Ride)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7jfcWEkSrI
10 Wheels is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-08, 12:18 PM   #15
cudak888 
www.theheadbadge.com
 
cudak888's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Southern Florida
Bikes: http://www.theheadbadge.com
Posts: 22,746
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by 10 Wheels View Post
Up Date:
The boy was 20 feet behind his Mom and sister trying to catch up with them.
I've seen that too often. You would think that people believe that so long as the child is behind them, no harm will ever befall said child. Nonsense.

-Kurt
__________________
cudak888 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-08, 12:29 PM   #16
cyclefreaksix
Senior Member
 
cyclefreaksix's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Plano Texas
Bikes:
Posts: 1,311
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by lewie View Post
alls im saying is shes gone be rich. its reel bad her son passed away an nothings gone replace but i know how lawyers are.
i just hope they put that gap toothed bugger that hit him behind bars for a long time. he lived his life already an now he killed a child
You are an idiot. And I'm not just basing this on your lack of capitalization, bad grammar, and horrific spelling. No, I'm addressing your ability to pass judgement on a situation in which you do not have a full grasp of all the details.

They should put the driver in jail for what exactly? How much money makes you "rich" btw?

I do so hope that you are a 12 year old, to think that an adult "thinks" in this way just makes me sad.
cyclefreaksix is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-08, 12:37 PM   #17
bikebuddha 
Senior Member
 
bikebuddha's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Somewhere in time
Bikes:
Posts: 1,137
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by lewie View Post
alls im saying is shes gone be rich. its reel bad her son passed away an nothings gone replace but i know how lawyers are.
i just hope they put that gap toothed bugger that hit him behind bars for a long time. he lived his life already an now he killed a child
Your post demonstrates not only insensitivity but also shows a profound ignorance of how the American legal system works.
__________________
The few, the proud, the likely insane, Metro-Atlanta bicycle commuters.
bikebuddha is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-08, 01:30 PM   #18
Denny Koll
Senior Member
 
Denny Koll's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Bikes:
Posts: 852
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
On our local trail there are flashing yellow lights and a road sign that says SLOW at the major road crossings.

There are also gates before the road that make you slow way down before you cross.
Denny Koll is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-08, 02:07 PM   #19
CB HI
Cycle Year Round
 
CB HI's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Honolulu, HI
Bikes:
Posts: 12,314
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 421 Post(s)
The crossing is a traffic design problem, and should not exist in its current state. Take a look at this link with the motorist traveling southwest.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=e...,0.001711&z=20

Add some glare from the sun, and there will be more injuries/deaths in the future.
CB HI is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-08, 02:14 PM   #20
CB HI
Cycle Year Round
 
CB HI's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Honolulu, HI
Bikes:
Posts: 12,314
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 421 Post(s)
The warning sign also only indicates motorist should be watching for horseback riders. No indication that cyclist may be present.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=e...,0.001711&z=20
CB HI is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-08, 02:23 PM   #21
genec
genec
 
genec's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: West Coast
Bikes: custom built, sannino, beachbike, giant trance x2
Posts: 24,957
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 843 Post(s)
Couple of issues here. The mother should have stopped and waited at the crossing... she should have had the judgment to evaluate the intersection as a problem.

Second... there should be warning and slowing in that area of the crossing. Perhaps a signalized crossing or something. An unaided crosswalk on a 50MPH road is a bit outlandish.
genec is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-08, 02:27 PM   #22
10 Wheels
Galveston County Texas
 
10 Wheels's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: In The Wind
Bikes: 2010 Expedition, 03 GTO
Posts: 30,096
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 387 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by genec View Post

Second... there should be warning and slowing in that area of the crossing. Perhaps a signalized crossing or something. An unaided crosswalk on a 50MPH road is a bit outlandish.
Especially with Warning Signs of Horses Crossing.
__________________
[SIZE=1][B]What I like about Texas[/B]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGukLuXzH1E

Set F1re To The Ra1n ( NY Night Rain Ride)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7jfcWEkSrI
10 Wheels is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-08, 02:33 PM   #23
CB HI
Cycle Year Round
 
CB HI's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Honolulu, HI
Bikes:
Posts: 12,314
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 421 Post(s)
Actually, the speed limit on this highway is 55 MPH.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=e...,0.006845&z=18
CB HI is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-08, 02:38 PM   #24
hotbike
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
hotbike's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Long Island, New York
Bikes: a lowrider BMX, a mountain bike, a faired recumbent, and a loaded touring bike
Posts: 2,921
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 27 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by genec View Post
Couple of issues here. The mother should have stopped and waited at the crossing... she should have had the judgment to evaluate the intersection as a problem.

Second... there should be warning and slowing in that area of the crossing. Perhaps a signalized crossing or something. An unaided crosswalk on a 50MPH road is a bit outlandish.
I looked further down US301 on Google maps streetview, and the speed limit is 55MPH.
It's a poor design, as there are no warning signs to let drivers know the crossing is ahead. The signs are equestrian signs, and are located right-at the crossing.

The bike path does have STOP signs, where the bikes are supposed to stop.
hotbike is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-08, 02:44 PM   #25
TrailOgre
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Bikes:
Posts: 8
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Glad to see...

That the driver and passenger were not hurt...

Condolences to the parents
TrailOgre is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 10:10 AM.