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Old 12-28-08, 09:04 PM   #1
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When Drivers Try To Be "Nice"

I was out riding today and came to a 4-way stop intersection. There were two cars ahead of me in the lane with their right turn signals on. Since there was no bike lane and I am going straight, not turning, I get in line behind car #2.

The first car turns and car #2 moves up to the line and doesn't go. I look up and see the passenger in the side mirror motioning me to go ahead of them. I shake my head no. There is cross traffic and car #2 is a boxy Scion that would pretty much hide me from the cross traffic until I got into the intersection. The passenger motions again, and I say "Just go!". The driver then guns the car around the corner and honks her horn at me.

This type of thing has happened to me on several occasions. I know the drivers think they're being nice, but in reality they make things more dangerous for the cyclist. That driver now probably has a bad feeling about cyclists, since I didn't appreciate her being "nice".

Anyone else have this happen?
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I was out riding today and came to a 4-way stop intersection. There were two cars ahead of me in the lane with their right turn signals on. Since there was no bike lane and I am going straight, not turning, I get in line behind car #2.

The first car turns and car #2 moves up to the line and doesn't go. I look up and see the passenger in the side mirror motioning me to go ahead of them. I shake my head no. There is cross traffic and car #2 is a boxy Scion that would pretty much hide me from the cross traffic until I got into the intersection. The passenger motions again, and I say "Just go!". The driver then guns the car around the corner and honks her horn at me.

This type of thing has happened to me on several occasions. I know the drivers think they're being nice, but in reality they make things more dangerous for the cyclist. That driver now probably has a bad feeling about cyclists, since I didn't appreciate her being "nice".

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Yeah, happens a lot. I just stop, put a foot down and wait until they go.
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If a driver motions me forward in that sceneraio , I try not to look at them and take the opportunity to drink from my water bottles.
They usually get the message.
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I was out riding today and came to a 4-way stop intersection. There were two cars ahead of me in the lane with their right turn signals on. Since there was no bike lane and I am going straight, not turning, I get in line behind car #2.

The first car turns and car #2 moves up to the line and doesn't go. I look up and see the passenger in the side mirror motioning me to go ahead of them. I shake my head no. There is cross traffic and car #2 is a boxy Scion that would pretty much hide me from the cross traffic until I got into the intersection. The passenger motions again, and I say "Just go!". The driver then guns the car around the corner and honks her horn at me.

This type of thing has happened to me on several occasions. I know the drivers think they're being nice, but in reality they make things more dangerous for the cyclist. That driver now probably has a bad feeling about cyclists, since I didn't appreciate her being "nice".

Anyone else have this happen?
Yeah. My mom even does this. I had to educate her about it.

Put your foot down, look at the driver, when they motion you to go, shake your head, motion them to go, and then once everything is sorted out, ride away. Never sacrifice your safety to make some one else think they did something nice for you.
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Just go. That'll teach the *******s for being nice.
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As soon as I saw the cars intending to turn right, I'd have pulled around them on their left and gone straight to the front. Then they could make their turn whenever they wanted and I could have gone straight whenever I wanted to and we'd have all lived happily ever after without ever having to think about each other again (since our path would no longer have any potential of crossing).

It saves time for everone, is safer, and is expressly permitted by california vehicle code (allowed to move away from the right side of the road wherever a right turn is authorized: so you don't get right hooked!).

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Just go. That'll teach the *******s for being nice.
The driver was expecting me to basically pass her on the right, near the curb (no bike lane). Since there was cross traffic I would have had to squeeze past her and then take my chances that the cross traffic saw me when I came out behind her car. I was waiting my turn behind her, not beside her. The other driver in the car at the stop sign coming perpendicular to us was getting confused because he could see she was waiting but didn't know why - I don't think he could see me behind her.


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As soon as I saw the cars intending to turn right, I'd have pulled around them on their left. then they could make their turn whenever they wanted and I could have gone straight whenever I wanted to and we'd have all lived happily ever after without ever having to think about each other again (since our path would no longer have any potential of crossing).

Not only is that safer, but it's expressly permitted by california vehicle code (allowed to move away from the right side of the road wherever a right turn is authorized: so you don't get right hooked!).
This was a single lane at a stop sign. The lane was narrow and I would have had to go into the oncoming lane to pass her. I've never had someone expect me to come from behind on the right and pass them when I'm going straight and they are turning. Especially after I had unclipped and it was clear that I was waiting my turn.
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The driver was expecting me to basically pass her on the right, near the curb (no bike lane). Since there was cross traffic I would have had to squeeze past her and then take my chances that the cross traffic saw me when I came out behind her car. I was waiting my turn behind her, not beside her. The other driver in the car at the stop sign coming perpendicular to us was getting confused because he could see she was waiting but didn't know why - I don't think he could see me behind her.

This was a single lane at a stop sign. The lane was narrow and I would have had to go into the oncoming lane to pass her. I've never had someone expect me to come from behind on the right and pass them when I'm going straight and they are turning. Especially after I had unclipped and it was clear that I was waiting my turn.
It sounds like you're sure you did everything right, and you're posting here so we can all say poor baby. So I'll say it,

"Poor baby! I'm sorry this awful thing happened to you. Thank God you weren't killed. I'm giving you a great big e-hug."
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It sounds like you're sure you did everything right, and you're posting here so we can all say poor baby. So I'll say it,

"Poor baby! I'm sorry this awful thing happened to you. I'm giving you a great big e-hug."
Not at all. I asked if anyone else had things like this happen to them.

My point is that even when drivers think they're being nice, they can still put us in danger without realizing it. And if the cyclist declines their "nice" gesture, they should just keep driving and not get upset about it.
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While I appreciate courtesy, it really is easier, and safer, when everyone obeys the same set of rules.

It's a tough call sometimes but if you're going to insist they take their turn, please be non-confrontational about it. Putting a foot down or taking a drink are great ways to communicate your intent.
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Not at all. I asked if anyone else had things like this happen to them.

My point is that even when drivers think they're being nice, they can still put us in danger without realizing it. And if the cyclist declines their "nice" gesture, they should just keep driving and not get upset about it.
OK then. Yes, I have things like this happen to me all the time.

Unless the driver is writing about you on her cager forum right now, I'd guess you're more upset than she is.
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This was a single lane at a stop sign. The lane was narrow and I would have had to go into the oncoming lane to pass her.
I really doubt that. People don't hug the center line when they are going to turn to the right. They edge at least partly to the right to begin their turn. But if you intended to wait behind the cars anyway, it would have been better to wait for them towards the left side of the lane, not on the right (you said you could see the passenger in the side mirror so I assume you were hugging the curb area). That would clearly show the car that you have no intention of going down their right side and plan to go straight at the stop sign.
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I really doubt that. People don't hug the center line when they are going to turn to the right. They edge at least partly to the right to begin their turn. But if you intended to wait behind the cars anyway, it would have been better to wait for them towards the left side of the lane, not on the right (you said you could see the passenger in the side mirror so I assume you were hugging the curb area). That would clearly show the car that you have no intention of going down their right side and plan to go straight at the stop sign.
Yes. Lateral positioning probably does more to convey your intentions than just about anything else.
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Not at all. I asked if anyone else had things like this happen to them.

My point is that even when drivers think they're being nice, they can still put us in danger without realizing it. And if the cyclist declines their "nice" gesture, they should just keep driving and not get upset about it.
I probably have had it happen but it's been long enough ago that I can't really remember a specific instance.

If I understand correctly, you were behind and to the right of a motorist who intended to turn right-- in other words, in the blind spot. The driver probably couldn't see you and was just as likely being cautious as being nice.

You were right not to pass on the right but you were in a bad place. If I'm goin to wait in line, then I get in line behind the vehicle I'm waiting for. They should be able to see me in their rear-view mirror. If I'm as far left as I like to be, then then I'm not visible in the passenger side mirror. A lot of drivers don't know how to use that mirror anyway. Actually, if I'm waiting in line like that, I prefer to be left of the center of the lane because that makes me more visible to oncomming traffic.

The other alternative (not a great one) is to remain on the right but stay WAY back.

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Why even acknowledge the passenger? You're addressing the driver's actions even though you stated it was the passenger who was directing you to go ahead. Unless you're inside the vehicle there's no way you can know if the passenger is communicating what they're doing to the driver, or vice-versa. Whether I was on a bike, in a car, or on foot, I wouldn't heed any direction from anyone within a vehicle other than the driver who is controlling the vehicle.
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I really doubt that. People don't hug the center line when they are going to turn to the right. They edge at least partly to the right to begin their turn. But if you intended to wait behind the cars anyway, it would have been better to wait for them towards the left side of the lane, not on the right (you said you could see the passenger in the side mirror so I assume you were hugging the curb area). That would clearly show the car that you have no intention of going down their right side and plan to go straight at the stop sign.
I see a lot of people do that. They are looking right and their car slowly drifts to the left. More so when they are driving and going to turn right but I do see it sometimes when coming to a stop.
We have these nice messes here at the lot of my office and the lot around the mall. Both have a road circling the parking lot and several entrances where some have 4 way stops and some have three way stops with no stop on the incomng lane. A lot of times people will stop where there are no stop signs or people will stop then assume the incoming driver will stop so they will just go ahead and start going. The other night a small Honda without his lights on stopped then started to go and almost got hit by the traffic coming in and it was my turn to go before him so I start to go once the incomng traffic was past and had to make the left in front of him while he was sitting in the middle of the intersection. I flashed my light at him hoping he would at least turn on hs lights since it was dark then.
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It sounds like you're sure you did everything right, and you're posting here so we can all say poor baby. So I'll say it,

"Poor baby! I'm sorry this awful thing happened to you. Thank God you weren't killed. I'm giving you a great big e-hug."
You do realize that this is a forum where people talk about things that happen when riding bicycles, right?
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I really doubt that. People don't hug the center line when they are going to turn to the right. They edge at least partly to the right to begin their turn. But if you intended to wait behind the cars anyway, it would have been better to wait for them towards the left side of the lane, not on the right (you said you could see the passenger in the side mirror so I assume you were hugging the curb area). That would clearly show the car that you have no intention of going down their right side and plan to go straight at the stop sign.
Come on, you weren't there. You have no idea what the street looked like, how narrow it was, where the cars were, etc. There's no reason to doubt Cbad's account.

This is another instance of an A&S clairvoyant.
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Not at all. I asked if anyone else had things like this happen to them.
Are you sure? I was lining up for one of them e-hugs too!

Seriously, though, I just wrote about the same thing on the forum last night when someone asked about trackstanding. I can't really do that, but I will try to slow down to a crawl to avoid putting a foot down at an intersection. But I've learned that, especially at all-way stop intersections, putting a foot down is a must, if only to send the signal to the cagers at the intersection that you intend to play by the rules they have to play by.
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Looks to me like a Nittany Lion prowling around Southern Cal and ready to pounce on New Years day.
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This is something that happens a lot and it is irritating.

Why someone would feel like they have to insult the OP for posting this I don't know.

Usually I deal with it by just ignoring the "nice" driver. Recently I was at a red light behind an elderly driver. He was staring at the mirror, keeping a close eye on me. So, as soon as the light turns and I start following him through the intersection, he panics, slams on his brakes and starts waving me through. At that point I had to start yelling at him and telling him to get his ass moving...etc. etc. But usually ignoring works.
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I did until I used hand signals and lane position.
Along with hi visible gear most people have no problems understanding my predictability.
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I was creamed by a car in a situation where people were trying to be 'nice' and circumvent
the natural order and rules.

I now just do my own thing and take my turn, and if someone offers to mess up the
rotation I just ignore them and wait it out. so be it if they get pissed. f' them
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You do realize that this is a forum where people talk about things that happen when riding bicycles, right?
Something happened? I must have missed it.
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