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    Always wear a helmet

    Thanks to wet railroad tracks, I had a wipeout this afternoon. Nothing serious, just some road rash on my thigh & shoulder. My helmeted head conked the pavement --- I'd probably still be laying there if I didn't have it on.

    I know this isn't the safety forum, but thought I'd remind you guys to keep your noggins in one piece!

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    Yes, I see that happen at lease once a year. Glad to hear you are ok.

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    a little run-in with some dry railroad tracks last summer persuaded me to put my helmet on and keep it there; you could here my noggin hitting the road--it sounded like somebody dropped a coconut from fifty feet--for blocks around. Had a headache for a couple of weeks and some nasty road rash but no concussion; luckily I was going about 3 mph but still had no time to react as I somersaulted over the bars....glad you were wearing your helmet.
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    +1.

    I hit some black ice this morning. I must have slid for 30-40 feet. Actually, it was quite fun. Without the helmet though, the light tap of my head on the pavement/ice would have sucked.

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    Been there, done that. Fell on my road bike twice in 07. Both times the old helmet hit the asphalt.
    Funny, as a mountain biker I've fallen many times. But I never thought of dirt as "soft" or as a lubricant until I hit asphalt. It doesn't give and rubbing against it just tears your skin.
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    3 weeks ago I cracked my helmet in a banal slow speed crash, of the kind that shouldn't even cause a bruise. Without the brain-bucket I possibly would have sustained massive head injuries.

    Funny, right before that wipe out I was entertaining thoughts of enhancing my coolness factor by going helmet-less...

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    You fell, so I should wear a helmet?

    Of course I have only been riding bicycles for 55 years or so, but then I walk my bike across oily wet railroad tracks.
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    Guys, we need to know how the bikes handled the trauma! Otherwise I might have to move this to Advocacy & Safety .

    As for me, yesterday I hit a patch of ice and managed to hit the ground. I hit the very same spot on my hip as in my last fall . Fortunately I did not hit my head, nor my elbow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by graywolf View Post
    You fell, so I should wear a helmet?

    Of course I have only been riding bicycles for 55 years or so, but then I walk my bike across oily wet railroad tracks.
    In a perfect, happy, world the roads would be free of cars and have no tire grabbing cracks, dogs intent on chasing bikes, or children running into my way and all would be good.

    As it is, I'll ride with a helmet. You do as you wish, within the law, but don't expect the government to try to pour what's left of your brains back into what's left of your skull after some idiot hits you.

    I hate helmet arguments, but feel the need to chime in.

    I've been riding over 50 years, and have only needed a helmet twice, neither time through any fault of my own. I can type this because I has a helmet on both times. YMMV

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    *yawn*

    All you safety nannies should learn not to go banging your head on stuff...
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    Quote Originally Posted by bmclaughlin807 View Post
    *yawn*

    All you safety nannies should learn not to go banging your head on stuff...
    But then what would all of you safety-nanny nannies complain about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by roccobike View Post
    Been there, done that. Fell on my road bike twice in 07. Both times the old helmet hit the asphalt.
    Funny, as a mountain biker I've fallen many times. But I never thought of dirt as "soft" or as a lubricant until I hit asphalt. It doesn't give and rubbing against it just tears your skin.
    Yes, this is my first real spill on a road bike. I used to fall all the time on the mountain bike --- this is much worse!

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    Oh yes...people who go helmetless are SO cool....come on people...I never get on the bike without a helmet...life means too much to worry about what I look like while riding...

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    Quote Originally Posted by graywolf View Post

    You fell, so I should wear a helmet?
    +++


    I don't wear a helmet.
    I've never fallen over when I go across railroad tracks.
    Implies not wearing a helmet keeps you from having accidents?

    -hey, its the same kind of correlation that all the people who argue for helmets use

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    Well, they have shown that a helmeted head is more likely to be hit in a fall (twice the size and rather heavier), so maybe not wearing a helmet does prevent accidents. Without a helmet on I find I'm very good at not hitting my head on stuff, some kind of protective instinct maybe?

    For me, I don't wear a helmet to walk, despite having fractured my skull twice walking around when I was a kid. I didn't wear a helmet when I went ice skating, but I fell over and banged my head really hard (yes, it hurt!), and won't do next time either. Life is full of these spills and tumbles, which is why the human head is quite a robust design. I don't feel the need to go around dressed up in expanded polystyrene "just in case", especially when the expanded polystyrene has such an ambiguous evidence base as the bicycle helmet.

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    I've fallen a number of times over my 40+ years of riding. I've fallen a number of times when walking, working around the house, at work, etc. over the last 40+ years too. Never had a helmet on in any of those cases. I'm still here. Go figure.

    Wear em if you want to, don't if you don't and, if you feel the need to comment on the choices of others either way, kick yourself and STFU.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mishmashmusic View Post
    Thanks to wet railroad tracks, I had a wipeout this afternoon. Nothing serious, just some road rash on my thigh & shoulder. My helmeted head conked the pavement --- I'd probably still be laying there if I didn't have it on.
    I know this isn't the safety forum, but thought I'd remind you guys to keep your noggins in one piece!
    This is the best argument for wearing a helmet. Given any crash where you hit your head on the pavement, no reasonable person can disagree that the injuries would be at best the same, but more likely much worse, if the person were not wearing a helmet.

    Its a matter of playing the odds. Its not if you will crash while riding a bike, its when. If you think otherwise, you're not riding enough.

    And now Chip, I will STFU.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mishmashmusic View Post
    ... Nothing serious, just some road rash on my thigh & shoulder. My helmeted head conked the pavement --- I'd probably still be laying there if I didn't have it on...
    I'm assuming your opinion is it was only non-serious because of the helmet, but I'd guess based on years of research of bicycling collisions and falls that the incident wasn't serious at all. Most likely you would have got up a little bruised and scraped up even if you weren't wearing a helmet.

    I always wonder why people assume something different would have happened to them when circumstances with everyone else indicates otherwise.

    FWIW, I had a spill on some ice last week. My helmet was fine because it was hanging in the closet. I was fine too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by metalchef87 View Post
    Oh yes...people who go helmetless are SO cool.......
    Some are...



    some aren't...



    (or are they?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by mishmashmusic View Post
    Thanks to wet railroad tracks, I had a wipeout this afternoon.
    A couple of years ago I was crossing some wet tracks at walking speed - fell at light speed. Bent the rear derailleur hanger, broke a pedal. Kept my helmet off the ground tho.

    It is amazing how fast you go down on tracks, even being careful. I have crossed a million of them no prob. Then one day -
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeyBike View Post
    A couple of years ago I was crossing some wet tracks at walking speed - fell at light speed. Bent the rear derailleur hanger, broke a pedal. Kept my helmet off the ground tho.

    It is amazing how fast you go down on tracks, even being careful. I have crossed a million of them no prob. Then one day -
    I always pop the first wheel over the tracks. I think if you do that and pop over the second track, you'll be ok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by San Rensho View Post
    This is the best argument for wearing a helmet. Given any crash where you hit your head on the pavement, no reasonable person can disagree that the injuries would be at best the same, but more likely much worse, if the person were not wearing a helmet.

    Its a matter of playing the odds. Its not if you will crash while riding a bike, its when. If you think otherwise, you're not riding enough.

    And now Chip, I will STFU.
    A fall like this is what they're made for but it would be reasonable to agree on the definition of what is worse.

    The likely scenario in a case like this is an injury you can get up from, bump, bruise, cut. Something you can't get up from, a significant, non-recoverable injury - the benefits are much more murky.
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    Quote Originally Posted by graywolf View Post
    You fell, so I should wear a helmet?
    Lawls logic fail.


    People are ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by San Rensho View Post

    And now Chip, I will STFU.
    I won't holler at you for running lights while wearing your helmet, if you don't holler at me for not running lights while not wearing my helmet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by San Rensho View Post
    This is the best argument for wearing a helmet. Given any crash where you hit your head on the pavement, no reasonable person can disagree that the injuries would be at best the same, but more likely much worse, if the person were not wearing a helmet.
    True, though I do wish to note - just for the record - that most helmets (with exception to some skater/BMX type helmets that hang low over the brow) will not adequately protect one's forehead if they end up plunging face first to the ground - nor will any helmet (with exception, perhaps, to full-face) protect one from road rash below the forehead.

    Just wished to point this out. Not trying to say that one is any safer without one (or for that matter, with one) - there is a limit to its usefulness. It isn't a cure-all.

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