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Old 01-07-09, 02:42 PM   #1
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Maryland State Police Target Bike Advocacy Group as 'Terrorists'

http://www.thewashcycle.com/2009/01/...ce-spying.html
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Hmmm does that mean that if you are in favor of bike lanes in the public record our current administration will grab you, imprison you and hold you indefinitely without filing charges? I am glad to see that the government has decided to protect people from bicycle lanes.
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I guess this means it's time I report the bicycle lane making chemical weapons in my neighbor's basement to the authorities.
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The same Maryland State Police that got the idea to enforce speeding around the DC beltway by setting up speed traps in the center next to the far left lanes. It didn't take it long for the fastest speeders to pass cars on the right. Of course the bright State Police didn't realize than for almost ten years. Now high speed passing on the right is the norm and people abiding by the law have to worry about getting hit when they move over.
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Read the comments; seems that the troopers simply took an interest in CM. Big deal.
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Your homeland security dollars at work. Gotta spend it on something right?
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Read the comments; seems that the troopers simply took an interest in CM. Big deal.

Spying activity by the Maryland State Police actually went quite a bit deeper than that. For clarification, here is the story quoted in the blog:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...301993_pf.html
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Nothing more then an article written in an anti-cyclist fashion, misstating a perfectly legitimate concern about Critical Mass.

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Incorrect in this case; read the above posted article for a look into the extent of MD police activity. I wouldn't call what they did "a perfectly legitimate concern".
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Spying activity by the Maryland State Police actually went quite a bit deeper than that. For clarification, here is the story quoted in the blog:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...301993_pf.html
Another overblown story by the washington post. Whoa. Did you note "To date, the activists listed as terrorists are not known to have experienced any related limits in their travel, employment or financial transactions."

If the Maryland State Police would like to conduct surveillance of the VC members, good, they might learn something about cycling laws and proper riding. I welcome them to ride with me on a commute and learn something, should they get bored riding with CM.
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Honolulu is about the furthest point in the US from Maryland, but CB knows exactly what's going on there. congrats on Speculation of the Year 2009. but what the hey, it's still early, and there's plenty of time for this to be eclipsed many times over on BF before year's end.

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Yeah millions of taxpayers dollars spent with zero arrests or plots thwarted, the reality that federal regulations were violated, and the real possibility that some people's constitutional right to privacy was violated without due cause.

No big whoop.
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Yeah millions of taxpayers dollars spent with zero arrests or plots thwarted, the reality that federal regulations were violated, and the real possibility that some people's constitutional right to privacy was violated without due cause.

No big whoop.
Thank you (of course we are now on the FBI data base as anti American for even thinking the any government agency could be anything but perfect as long as they are protecting us from fantasy terrorists ).
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So I guess since the Washington Post said it's true it must be.
Because a blogger said it's true it must be so.
So where are the WMD's in Iraq ? Even Nancy said they were there. Must be so.
I'll just wait until all the info is in before I make a judgment. If it concerned CM then I tend to side with Maryland.
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Yep, CM is just about the biggest, most incredible security threat to life as we know it in Amerika today.

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Incorrect in this case; read the above posted article for a look into the extent of MD police activity. I wouldn't call what they did "a perfectly legitimate concern".
That was supposed to be a sarcastic poke at CM. Forgot the laughing smiley.

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left anarchists are associated with bikes Undoubtedly the crowd likes bikes more than average. Eitherway this is nonsense

Police could end CM real fast if they wanted too. CM is not a terrorism problem.They targeted people , not bikes and what else. Everyone and everything who oppose or disagree with something were put under surveillance and branded as terrorists. Politification of law enforcement is a politics issue.

All kinds of people ride bikes or want them more on the road I don't see bikes as really as a part of politics .
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This doesn't surprise me at all. They should receive the same penalties as the federal officials did that did not destroy the background check info for people purchasing firearms in the 1990's. The records that federal law said were not to be kept beyond 90 days, but were retained by the Feds anyway. The same criminal and civil penalties that those people got should be received in this case.
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Honolulu is about the furthest point in the US from Maryland, but CB knows exactly what's going on there. congrats on Speculation of the Year 2009. but what the hey, it's still early, and there's plenty of time for this to be eclipsed many times over on BF before year's end.

Yes randya, we already know that you live in the small world of Potland. As for me, I have lived in Maryland, riden my bicycle in Maryland, I still have college classmates living in Maryland and all of my inlaws live in Maryland.

Seems I have more validity in commenting on what goes on in Maryland than you do, so maybe it is you who should not continue to comment on this issue.
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Honolulu is about the furthest point in the US from Maryland, but CB knows exactly what's going on there. congrats on Speculation of the Year 2009. but what the hey, it's still early, and there's plenty of time for this to be eclipsed many times over on BF before year's end.

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Thank you (of course we are now on the FBI data base as anti American for even thinking the any government agency could be anything but perfect as long as they are protecting us from fantasy terrorists ).
It happens....

Right after 9/11 (I was living in NYC), me and all my Arab friends suddenly had Verizon vans parked on the corners by our respective apartments for unexplained extended periods of time (there were 3 parked out near my apartment for a couple weeks...), while we heard mysterious clicks and breathing on our phones...

Of course, none of us were involved in any political activism, or dangerous CM plotting. But it was all for our safety right? (Heck maybe we weren't being surveilled, but it was suspicious. And the FBI was active in the neighborhood. They raided a mosque for terrorist ties about a month later, while I was having coffee right outside...)

Ever see the movie The Lives of Others? After the demise of communist East Germany, many people were shocked to find out the government had been spying on them for years, and that they had extensive files about them. I sometimes wonder if we'll experience something similar ourselves.
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And not just in Maryland

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...ycle-path.html
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And what a completely inappropriate reaction from the PM. He should of been completely outraged and incensed. Why did he not demand these police be brought up on charges.
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And what a completely inappropriate reaction from the PM. He should of been completely outraged and incensed. Why did he not demand these police be brought up on charges.
Wow, someone else didn't mind being searched. I guess maybe I shouldn't mind either.

Some people like to be tied up and burned with candle wax. I guess I should get a domme.
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Wow, someone else didn't mind being searched. I guess maybe I shouldn't mind either.

Some people like to be tied up and burned with candle wax. I guess I should get a domme.
So, on what CM ride in Maryland, were you stopped and searched?

In your case, maybe it would do you some good!
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