Proprosed Montana Legislation-Stop signs
01-16-09, 12:39 PM
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Proprosed Montana Legislation-Stop signs
Montana is looking at passing a law similar to Idaho's in regards to Stop signs. Cyclist could treat stop signs as yields. It will be interesting to see how it goes. This article states some other cities and states are looking at Idaho's law also even cities like Portland,OR. The comments at the bottom are fairly interesting.
01-16-09, 12:53 PM
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but it only makes customary . . . behavior legal
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They are in California, and people die because of it. Allowing the fastest 1/6 of all motorists to set the enforceable speed limit for everyone is not always the correct policy.
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That's an oversimplification of California law.
If you have a legitimate reason for a less than 85th percentile speed limit, you can have one.
You just can't lower the speed limit past the 85th percentile, with no rationale other than "just because", because that would be a speed trap.
If you have a legitimate reason for a less than 85th percentile speed limit, you can have one.
You just can't lower the speed limit past the 85th percentile, with no rationale other than "just because", because that would be a speed trap.
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When I was a kid, people didn't speed so much. Then came the 55mph National Emergency Speed Limit. Everybody got in the habit of going 10-15 mph over the speed limit. Then when they raised them back again everybody still drove 10-15 mph over the speed limit but now it was crazy. I bet if you raised it to 85 mph you'd still have people doing 10-15 mph over the limit.
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That's an oversimplification of California law.
If you have a legitimate reason for a less than 85th percentile speed limit, you can have one.
You just can't lower the speed limit past the 85th percentile, with no rationale other than "just because", because that would be a speed trap.
If you have a legitimate reason for a less than 85th percentile speed limit, you can have one.
You just can't lower the speed limit past the 85th percentile, with no rationale other than "just because", because that would be a speed trap.
That was exactly the reasoning that was used on Balboa Ave near my home to lower the speed from 50MPH to 45MPH, to reduce the pedestrian collisions. A new stop light was also added to calm traffic. Each corner also has signs telling motorists that they must yield to pedestrians in the crosswalks.
Just because drivers can drive fast, doesn't mean they should.
The 85% rule is based on drivers comfort levels... but isolation from the environment tends to increase the driver comfort level based on false confidence. Rolled up windows, air conditioning and loud stereos along with road noise damping systems tend to give motorists a false sense of speed and control at the expense to the other users of the road.
