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Old 04-20-04, 05:28 PM   #1
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Candidate Wants Bikes Off The Road?

I wasn't sure whether to put this topic here or under Politics and Religion...

A co-worker of mine (who happens to be a Bush fan) told me that he read some article somewhere that Presidental hopeful John Kerry would like to get bicycles off the roads. He said the reason is because of all the bicycles ridden by students of Harvard and Boston University are clogging up the streets and getting in his way. Kerry is supposedly peturbed about it.

I don't know if he really means he would like more bike paths to keep cyclists safe and away from cars or what. Of course my friend wouldn't tell me that! He wants me to vote for Bush (or Nader).

Has anyone here heard about this?
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That would be really odd for Kerry to propose that considering he himself is a cyclist and an avid one at that.

http://www.bikebiz.co.uk/daily-news/article.php?id=3655
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Sounds like a rumor started by Karl Rove.
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I wasn't sure whether to put this topic here or under Politics and Religion...

A co-worker of mine (who happens to be a Bush fan) told me that he read some article somewhere that Presidental hopeful John Kerry would like to get bicycles off the roads.
Smurfy,

I would get that co-worker to give you specific references so you can read Kerry's quotes for yourself. As has already been mentioned, Kerry is an avid cyclist. Sounds like b.s. to me.

Somebody's either putting you on or they are spreading false info they picked up in the garbage somewhere. Get the facts, set them straight.
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Old 04-20-04, 07:19 PM   #5
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Don't believe it this administration are experts at misinformation Kerry is very much pro bike and is an avid cyclist.
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I wasn't sure whether to put this topic here or under Politics and Religion...

A co-worker of mine (who happens to be a Bush fan) told me that he read some article somewhere that Presidental hopeful John Kerry would like to get bicycles off the roads. He said the reason is because of all the bicycles ridden by students of Harvard and Boston University are clogging up the streets and getting in his way. Kerry is supposedly peturbed about it.

I don't know if he really means he would like more bike paths to keep cyclists safe and away from cars or what. Of course my friend wouldn't tell me that! He wants me to vote for Bush (or Nader).

Has anyone here heard about this?
Kerry is a very avid cyclist, having ridden centuries, etc.
As usual the Bush misinformation cowboys shovel on the horsecrap!
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Sounds like scaremongering to me -- not uncommon for someone trying to push a political agenda, which is what it sounds like your friend is doing.
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I wasn't sure whether to put this topic here or under Politics and Religion...

A co-worker of mine (who happens to be a Bush fan) told me that he read some article somewhere that Presidental hopeful John Kerry would like to get bicycles off the roads. He said the reason is because of all the bicycles ridden by students of Harvard and Boston University are clogging up the streets and getting in his way. Kerry is supposedly peturbed about it.

I don't know if he really means he would like more bike paths to keep cyclists safe and away from cars or what. Of course my friend wouldn't tell me that! He wants me to vote for Bush (or Nader).

Has anyone here heard about this?
Despite what others are saying below, it's entirely possible that an avid cyclist who's ridden centuries would make a proposal like this to get elected. The article needs to be examined to see exactly what the candidate was saying. It might be that he was referring to specific areas, or he could have responded to a car driver's question, and his reply was misunderstood. Also remember that this is the U.S., where we have a tendency to advocate that "victims" need to change their behavior, instead of enforcing the laws to make the people screwing up change theirs.
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With the way Kerry flip-flops on every issue, it wouldn't surprise me if he would ride a century one day and demand bikes be banned from existance the next...

Before I get flamed I don't really like GWB much better though.
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With the way Kerry flip-flops on every issue, it wouldn't surprise me if he would ride a century one day and demand bikes be banned from existance the next...

Before I get flamed I don't really like GWB much better though.
You like Bush enough to spew Republican propaganda. How about looking into the issues before you repeat right-wing rhetoric.

btw, a vote for Nader is a wasted vote. You can say vote for the candidate you believe in but this is a two horse race. You either vote for Kerry or Bush. Nader votes are a vote against Kerry since Bush would not get that vote anyway. By default, you voted Bush when you voted for Nader.
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Hey, everybody, thanks for the response.

I'm going to get that article from my co-worker today or at least ask him where he read it. At the time he was saying all this stuff I was real busy and I simply didn't have the time to argue with him!
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I think this is called having your cake and eating it to!

http://www.detnews.com/2004/insiders...b01-129011.htm

Probably right-winged rhetoric to you left-wingers!
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Old 04-21-04, 06:08 AM   #13
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I am not going to argue candidate's positions..Not my point.But about CAFE..Realistic pressure. Too quick a change in CAFE standards, the auto industry is screwed because they are either unwilling or don't want to minimize SUV sales which are more profitable...
Or if they don't convert..I say they are equally screwed. Who wants a SUV when gas is $3.? So an unresponsive auto industry means less market share and fewer auto jobs no matter how you cut it.
It is a disappointment that Detroit can't predict market inenvitaility, rather than let its' greed for big cars get in the way of how we all know future market trends will surely go.
Who can buck their lobbyists pressure when it comes to what seems to be job protection in a job wrenched state. No candidate can buck that kind of pressure and be a candidate. System does not allow such foolishness.
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Old 04-21-04, 06:35 AM   #14
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Boston's streets are certainly not clogged with bicycles, they're clogged with cars. I'm not just spouting some lame street crowd's chants... they really are... as are most cities' streets.
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You like Bush enough to spew Republican propaganda. How about looking into the issues before you repeat right-wing rhetoric.

btw, a vote for Nader is a wasted vote. You can say vote for the candidate you believe in but this is a two horse race. You either vote for Kerry or Bush. Nader votes are a vote against Kerry since Bush would not get that vote anyway. By default, you voted Bush when you voted for Nader.
Actually its not right wing rhetoric, I HAVE looked up Kerry's voting record.

As for a vote for Nader is a waste, voting your conscience is never a waste, and the freedom to do so is what makes our political system as good as it is.
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Actually its not right wing rhetoric, I HAVE looked up Kerry's voting record.

As for a vote for Nader is a waste, voting your conscience is never a waste, and the freedom to do so is what makes our political system as good as it is.
Nice editorial, but I seemed to have missed the part where he said he wanted bikes off the road. Could you maybe help point it out or move it to its appropriate forum.

PS if you vote for a politician based on his or her flip flops who's your choice this time? Bush flip flops just getting out of bed in the morning
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If this co-worker could actually provide a article demonstrating Kerry's stance on bicylists, then maybe we could discuss it.
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With the way Kerry flip-flops on every issue, it wouldn't surprise me if he would ride a century one day and demand bikes be banned from existance the next...
Flip flopping is better than being stupid all the time.

Any vote against GWB is a vote for returning functioning synapses to the Whitehouse.
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Getting pretty political here for advocacy..But then again, if the Prez. should want to get cyclists off the road- that certainly effects advocacy issues.
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Nice editorial, but I seemed to have missed the part where he said he wanted bikes off the road. Could you maybe help point it out or move it to its appropriate forum.

PS if you vote for a politician based on his or her flip flops who's your choice this time? Bush flip flops just getting out of bed in the morning

i do not see 'moderator' by his name so it does not look like he will be able to move this. Bush and JFKerry must sleep together or be the same person for all the flip flop claims against each.
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Smurfy, I agree with others here. I think this co-worker is putting you on. Probably because he or she is a Bush fan, this person knows you are an avid cyclist. Plus he or she may even know Kerry is a avid cyclist too.
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That's definitely a lie. Kerry is a very avid cyclist.
Bush can't even ride a precision engineered multiple sensor gyroscopically stabilized super computer controlled scooter.
I wouldn't say your coworker's trying to get to you, obviously s/he knows you're a cyclist and s/he's probably misinformed but thought s/he'd share some information with you in a conversation.
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Sounds like something a Clear Channel DJ would spew out.

This is clearly BS. Amazing how easily folks can get spun up about nothing. If you think about it, traffic rules are a state issue, not federal anyway.
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No one in the U.S. can force bicyclists off the road, because to do so would be to violate our fundamental right to freedom of mobility. We have to be vigilant and proactive, but we can wrap ourselves in the American flag on this issue.
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Kerry is a very avid cyclist, having ridden centuries, etc.
As usual the Bush misinformation cowboys shovel on the horsecrap!
Where is it proven that Bush put out the info.. or are you shoveling horsecrap your self...
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