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https://www.courierpostonline.com/art...NTPAGECAROUSEL

StrangeWill

Ah, he maced himself, I thought she maced him for a second.

Anyway on one end, officer an idiot for overreacting to the side walk incident.

On the other end, when an officer asks you to pull over, don't continue riding away from him, stop and talk to him in a civil manner.

I swear this planet is full of idiots.

tdreyer1

Wow. Officer way overreacted, but if you resist arrest, your *** is screwed...

Dchiefransom

I get voices but no video.

No, riding on the sidewalk deserves a warning or a ticket. Not stopping and resisting gets you taken down forcefully.
I finally got the video. If I was on the civil suit jury, she be hard pressed to win my vote with that video. If she hadn't resisted, she would have either received a warning or a ticket. Another case of someone that is too good to be stopped and corrected by the police for violating the law. I didn't catch the slap on the head after she was cuffed, but I wouldn't fault the police for using force to get her into cuffs. If she wasn't fighting she would have been cuffed easily. I counted three hits on the head by Drogo, and it looked like the other officer put a knee into her at least twice trying to get her left arm behind her.
It's really foggy, and it looks like she had no lights on her bike, so that's probably why she was riding on the sidewalk.

apricissimus 

It' okay to hit her in the head when there are two other officers on top of her?

StrangeWill

Yes

Dchiefransom

If it gets someone to realize they should give up and get cuffed, sure. He didn't haul back and smack the daylights out of her. He popped her three times. I've seen videos of cops using a night stick to try and pry someone's arm out from under them, and couldn't figure out how the arm didn't snap like a matchstick.
I'd expect to receive everything she did, if not more, if I resisted being detained by the police.

mackerel

You think they should have hugged her and talked to her sweetly while smiling to get her to comply, don't you.

apricissimus 

Curious... how much more do you think they should have given her?

Police can (and do) call anything and everything resisting. It's not clear whether she was resisting or not from the video since we can't see all the details. I do know though that if someone had their knee in my back I'd probably try to do what I could to prevent them from breaking a bone or causing some other harm. I'd rather not just sit there and take it, though I might have to knowing that the guy on top of me is the one with the gun and the badge.

dirtdawg21892

whats wrong with riding on the sidewalk? there were no pedestrians and she wasnt even going fast. i think it should be fine to ride on the sidewalk as long as there are no pedestrians on it, and if there are move to the side.

StrangeWill

Do you happen to be blind?

This is a serious question, because you know... there was a video in that link.

Dchiefransom

The video doesn't look like it got physical until she resisted. If the police had me down with their knees and feet on me, I'd be sticking my hands behind my back and not struggling. But then, I wouldn't be giving them a reason to do that, and would expect to get restrained in a less than congenial manner if I did.
The other thing we can't tell in the video is if she refused any order he gave her when first approached in person. He tried to restrain her and ended up pushed back to the left. Then she got taken down. Watch "COPS" sometime. You'll see three officers fighting to restrain somebody and they are constantly telling them to stop fighting them and put their arms behind their back. They just keep right on fighting.

You can see the officer on her left side struggling to try and get her left arm behind her. He's the one that it looks like hits her with his knee. As soon as it looks like he's got the arm there, he pulls out his cuffs.

apricissimus 

From that video, how can you distinguish resisting arrest vs. trying to protect yourself?

StrangeWill

I'll give you a hint, they're the same thing, just different perspectives.

However, when you're not listening to a cop, and being an idiot, a court doesn't care if you're "protecting yourself".

Metzinger

Clear case of CWB (cycling while black). Would a white girl have been dragged down like that?
The officer was pissed that she didn't respect his 'authoritay'.
Extra pissed when he maced himself.
Who's he going to take it out on? Himself?

-=(8)=-

Lay off the COPS. Cops hammer people all the time unprovoked
and they lose in court, too.
Cops have times where they have to unload somebody.
This was his time. If that wasn an old bag lady pushing a cart
across the street she would have gotten it too.....
I didnt see anything in that vid that could be called resisting arrest
using the most liberal terms. Millvilles is Jersey's version of Johnson
City, Tennesee, too. Im wouldnt expect the cop to be a higher thinker.
Angry cop, Green Day, weaker species....not good.

randya

cops are idiots

EatMyA**

quite true

EatMyA**

well its not like you have to be educated or anything. My gangbanger supermarket bagger, just graduated from the LAPD academy. You cant expect too much nowadays.

Basil Moss

Once again, I'm glad I live in the UK. Over here, violent, bigoted young men join the Royal Marines, and take their chances. In the US, it seems, they can also join the police, and get to beat up unarmed women. Strange place for sure.

crhilton

Protecting yourself from a cop is illegal. Anyway, I think the cop wasn't far out of line in this case. The girl was being stupid.

crhilton

In some places in the US they're required to have bachelors degrees. I always thought it was silly but maybe it's an effective way to weed out some of the jerks.

Wanderer

Did anyone save that video? I get voices, but no pic.

apricissimus 

If that's true, then that's a shame. There are cops who sometimes step over the line into inappropriate behavior. I'd hate to think I'd just have to sit there and take it, and possibly wind up dead or seriously injured.

Regardless of whether it's illegal or not, I think it's perfectly justified to resist if the officer is taking things too far.

genec

But did the officer "take things too far" initially? Or as a reaction to the resist of the cyclist?