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Old 03-23-09, 08:46 PM   #1
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hicks in trucks driving dangerously close

This last weekend I took my girlfriend, a new cyclist, on a ride near Bethesda, MD. We rode on a road that had no shoulders and some rather windy curves. The motorists ended up scaring her too much to continue our ride, but while we were riding we noticed that of the 50 or so vehicles that passed us, the two or three who passed dangerously close were pickup trucks, one of which had the yellow ribbon bumper sticker "Support Our Troops".

Growing up in the Midwest, it seemed that every motorist that I ever had problems with was a rural guy driving a pickup truck. While I am too old and disillusioned to think that I can change the world, I would like to at least understand it. I was never friends with any of these macho rural characters in pickup trucks, I would like to understand their mentality to try to deal with the inevitable altercation that I'm going to have with one of them when I can catch him.

Do they somehow think they're more manly by scaring cyclists?
Are they compensating for their frustrations at being a fat slob who's favorite exercise is the six pack arm curl?

Would someone please explain these men before I attempt to take justice into my own hands and become violent with one of these idiots?

A friend of mine told me how to stalk offensive, honking vehicles in cars and knock on their windows and politely explain to them that they're driving unsafely. If said in the proper commanding tone of voice, the driver will be afraid that one is a police officer. He has even had a woman break down crying because of her shame. If only I could catch these idiotic drivers and have the confidence that they would actually feel any guilt for their behavior, I might enjoy my bike rides more.
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Old 03-23-09, 08:54 PM   #2
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I stopped riding for a decade due to harassment. I haven't really noticed it since I've started back up again. Partially because I'm not letting it bother me as much.

I think that most people that suffer from road rage and threaten cyclists are basically life's unhappy losers. There are some entitled jerks, but those guys often confront you directly and try to convince you that you need to stay out of their way so they can save humanity.
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Don't stalk any of them, or knock on their windows. They think it's funny or correct for them to come very close to you with a deadly tool. They could take serious exception and harm you. The only thing that will stop them is permanent incarceration or death.
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Y'know, a friend of mine, he's a physicist/hybrid vehicle tech (I guess that is what happens when you go from auto mechanic to physics degree in a shyte economy), he's also a motorsports/corvette kinda guy (and not in a "cocaine rich comes quick thats why the small dicks get it all" kinda way) who, like me (a professional driver), hates inconsiderate drivers. Anyhow, he told me about a laser he found available for sale (but not in the US) that has frequency settings that make it capable of, say, burning flesh, er, I mean paint. Another key selling point is that the light it emits is invisible to the human eye.

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Roody, check your PM please. I sent you one about something else, not this and nothing about A&S.
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There is no mercy.
And much of america places a value on ... ignorance, stupidity, selfishness, etc. And waste. Look for the biggest most fuel INEFFICIENT vehicle you can find.
Ergo ... a pickup. Or better yet a Hummer. Oh man I gotta git ona 'em.
"Anti-Intellectualism in American Life" by Richard Hofstadter wrote about the phenomena in 1964. Some of it has changed, but not all of it.
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Here's the thing to understand- they were raised by hostile, bigoted, trashy people and they'll never change.

So what can you do about their behavior? Really not much.

Assuming you catch up to them, you can either leave it alone, talk to them, or call the police.

If you talk to them, you likely can't say nothing to change their mentality. It'll probably be a quarrel or they'll want to (fist) fight you.

If you want to exploit that "support the troops" sticker, then make up a good, believable story about how you are a vet and tell them as much. Maybe that one particular redneck will then give you some space.

If you call the police, it might must anger them and then they'll pass close or closer next time they see you or another cyclist.

Might have to let it go. The fact of the matter is that they didn't hit or injure you.

You might want to ride on some different roads, at least ones with lower traffic volumes as fewer vehicles might mean fewer bigots.
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Man, you all sure know a lot about some guy who zoomed past a stranger in some town you probably never even heard of. You got a handle on everything from his political leanings to his IQ to his beer brand and his penile girth!

Besides, what kinda guy takes his girlfriend, "a new cyclist," for a beginner's ride on a "road that had no shoulders and some rather windy curves"? Maybe he wanted to make sure that she'd never again whine about wanting to go an a ride with him.
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Spike Bike.

http://linux.stevens-tech.edu/kmh/spike.bike.all.txt

Spike Bike.

I said, Spike Bike.

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Spike Bike.

http://linux.stevens-tech.edu/kmh/spike.bike.all.txt

Spike Bike.

I said, Spike Bike.

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I'm sorry. Did you say something?
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I'm sorry. Did you say something?
Well, I'm quite tempted to make a Spike Bike-themed spoof of the James Bond gunbarrel sequence...

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Well, I'm quite tempted to make a Spike Bike-themed spoof of the James Bond gunbarrel sequence...

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OK. I'll be looking for it on Youtube.
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Would someone please explain these men before I attempt to take justice into my own hands and become violent with one of these idiots?
You came to the right place for confirmation for a Pop psychology dreck/rant consisting of gross generalization/stereotyping, goofball streetside educational techniques and/or wacky tough guy retaliation daydreams.

Except for that meanie Roody, look at all the praise and electronic high fives you are getting for your psychological "observations" and crystal ball readings!

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Before you go confronting any of these genius', listen to this one. I grew up in the cycling meca of southern Missouri. One beutiful sunday I'm riding along through the Mark Twain National Forest when a over built 4X4 goes by in the opposite direction. The noises that followed really didn't register until it was back alongside me, keeping pace with me, in reverse. The drivers window was down and the passenger leveled a side by side double barrel shotgun out the window at my head. "Get your ****** ass in the ditch were it belongs!" was all it took to convince me that without a house in sight and not a human either that it didn't matter and into the dirt I went, endo'ing into the ditch. No chance to get the license, and knowing the local sheriff, I wasn't going to look for any help there. Just think about it before you decide to confront one of these people.
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Sorry that happened to you. Me? I'm a hick with an old pick up truck and am a dedicated bicyclist.
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In an area with a very high per capita percentage of pick/up trucks, most of the very few problems I have run into come from people in cars. Typically, it seems, a sports car or luxury car.

I've always wondered why these types of cars are desirable. There's no point in fast when there's always a speed limit. Neither can carry much of a load.

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Besides, what kinda guy takes his girlfriend, "a new cyclist," for a beginner's ride on a "road that had no shoulders and some rather windy curves"? Maybe he wanted to make sure that she'd never again whine about wanting to go an a ride with him.
I was wondering about this too.

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Ha, the joke is on the OP...I drive a pickup and I must be smarter than him since I know better than to throw a noob to the wolves on a high-volume, medium speed, winding ruburbia road with no shoulder.
I also bet I have more miles on a bike, drive more courteously and have a better driving record...just to rub salt in the wounds of this sanctimonious, overgeneralizing little 'prince'. I'd also recommend care in choosing the victims for your vigilante 'justice'...some of us may find it funny...but not funny enough to spare you a butt whuppin.

That said, welcome to BF, noobsauce...hang around here for a while and you might learn a few things that will make your life...and that of your GF, a little easier and less apt to get you in situations that might cause you a bad day.
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Fact: as cyclists, we roll the dice everytime we share the road with motorized vehicles of any sort. Spend enough time out there, and we will get hit. All we can do is try to weight the dice in our favour, through route selection. Hopefully our number comes up after we've quit cycling.
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Fact: as cyclists, we roll the dice everytime we share the road with motorized vehicles of any sort. Spend enough time out there, and we will get hit. All we can do is try to weight the dice in our favour, through route selection. Hopefully our number comes up after we've quit cycling.
I got 40 years of rolling the dice that says you're full o horsepucky. And I suck at craps.
I don't put much stock into the claims of fear mongering chicken littles who try to make cycling appear it is more dangerous than it actually is. Just getting up in the morning and going about your day is a roll of the dice, Capt. Obvious.
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Joroco I think a couple of us can say we use situational awareness for more than traffic conditions...remaining courteous...verbally deescalate tense situations wherever possible...but we're hicks for a reason...What Jeff Cooper said and stands for.
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I got 40 years of rolling the dice that says you're full o horsepucky. And I suck at craps.
I don't put much stock into the claims of fear mongering chicken littles who try to make cycling appear it is more dangerous than it actually is. Just getting up in the morning and going about your day is a roll of the dice, Capt. Obvious.
Do you know what 'random' means, Capt Oblivious?
Next time you're out riding in your cloud of self certainty, direct your gaze to the curb along your route. Notice any marks on the curb? Maybe some concrete chipped away in places? Had a cyclist been there, they would have been hit.

I'm not trying to fearmonger. I want cyclists one the road more than the next guy. But let's not bury our heads in the sand. We should try to avoid routes with motorized traffic. I don't think it's being Chicken Little to recognize that, as one man noted: "We all have it coming."
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Do you know what 'random' means, Capt Oblivious?
Next time you're out riding in your cloud of self certainty, direct your gaze to the curb along your route. Notice any marks on the curb? Maybe some concrete chipped away in places? Had a cyclist been there, they would have been hit.

I'm not trying to fearmonger. I want cyclists one the road more than the next guy. But let's not bury our heads in the sand. We should try to avoid routes with motorized traffic. I don't think it's being Chicken Little to recognize that, as one man noted: "We all have it coming."
If <insert your object here, including flying pigs> had been there, they would have been hit.

Again, it's a roll of the dice just getting up in the morning and going about your day. If you choose to believe that cycling is more of a risk than those other activities, that is a fear that you must deal with in your own way....but please fight the urge to pass on your fears to others...it breeds politicians creating nanny laws to 'do something'.
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